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What do you expect ? you are at HN, and the bubble is strong here. Heck even the large recent trend among app developers and business analysts for low-code too

by petra 10y ago

What do you expect ? you are at HN, and the bubble is strong here. Heck even the large recent trend among app developers and business analysts for low-code tools, tools that require mostly GUI and some code to get pretty complex applications going, offering maybe 5x-10x (or more) boost to productivity - that trend wasn't even mentioned at HN over the last few years, even though it seems like a really important trend, if you develop software or start businesses. That just makes me wish there was a different type of community for entrepreneurs, one that is focused on democratizing creation and simplifying knowledge, in many fields - because those are the building blocks entrepreneurs work with.

sametmax 10y ago
That's actually a good startup idea, since the corporate world also spend more money that the agile one.
woah 10y ago
What are some of these tools?
- petra 10y ago
  For enterprise software(and some IOT) Mendix and outsystems are the leaders, but there others : http://agilepoint.com/wp-content/uploads/Q2-2016-Forrester-Low-Code.pdf http://agilepoint.com/wp-content/uploads/Q2-2016-Forrester-L... For the IOT, i believe thingworx is the leader.
  - thr0waway1239 10y ago
    HN is a bubble for sure, but that may not be the reason why low-code tools are not discussed. Suffice it to say that my interest got less and less piqued with every single word in the URL you provided (I was already biased against it before even reading the report), and I couldn't get past the first few pages in the PDF before feeling bored. I recently was looking for Java based open sourced wiki software for intranets. And I read about this software called LifeRay. To most people on these forums, LifeRay is not particularly interesting (based on searching HN for LifeRay related submissions and seeing how many comments a submission gets). The market size for LifeRay might be quite large, I don't know, but it is just not the kind of tech that people are excited enough to comment about. For example, I am fairly sure no one is going to go and read about LifeRay just because they read this blurb. There are many different reasons for the lack of excitement as I am sure you can imagine. But the echo chamber is not the cause of the lack of discussion. Some topics are not just interesting enough, and probably never will be.
    - petra 10y ago
      The link i gave is to a report. It's boring. But it's comprehensive and lists all the platforms and a good starting point, because someone asked about that. But the issue itself is more interesting: first - it's a big and relatively common software design problem(for example see how often visual "coding" is discussed) - how to enable common people to build complex systems. So what are the approaches being tried ? How are the better/different/worse/etc ? what could we learn from them ? Second - what does it mean to the software engineering profession ? to freelancers ? Third - what are the implications to entrepreneurs ? what kind of new opportunities does this open ? could this make large corporations agile enough to make it hard for startups ? what are good strategies ? On the other hand, often you see here discussed some toy programming language that someone made(which is a cool project), but the improvements are quite small, the implications are quite small, and the major reason people find it so interesting is the bubble.

by petra 10y ago

sametmax 10y ago

That's actually a good startup idea, since the corporate world also spend more money that the agile one.

woah 10y ago

What are some of these tools?

petra 10y ago
For enterprise software(and some IOT) Mendix and outsystems are the leaders, but there others : http://agilepoint.com/wp-content/uploads/Q2-2016-Forrester-Low-Code.pdf http://agilepoint.com/wp-content/uploads/Q2-2016-Forrester-L... For the IOT, i believe thingworx is the leader.
- thr0waway1239 10y ago
  HN is a bubble for sure, but that may not be the reason why low-code tools are not discussed. Suffice it to say that my interest got less and less piqued with every single word in the URL you provided (I was already biased against it before even reading the report), and I couldn't get past the first few pages in the PDF before feeling bored. I recently was looking for Java based open sourced wiki software for intranets. And I read about this software called LifeRay. To most people on these forums, LifeRay is not particularly interesting (based on searching HN for LifeRay related submissions and seeing how many comments a submission gets). The market size for LifeRay might be quite large, I don't know, but it is just not the kind of tech that people are excited enough to comment about. For example, I am fairly sure no one is going to go and read about LifeRay just because they read this blurb. There are many different reasons for the lack of excitement as I am sure you can imagine. But the echo chamber is not the cause of the lack of discussion. Some topics are not just interesting enough, and probably never will be.
  - petra 10y ago
    The link i gave is to a report. It's boring. But it's comprehensive and lists all the platforms and a good starting point, because someone asked about that. But the issue itself is more interesting: first - it's a big and relatively common software design problem(for example see how often visual "coding" is discussed) - how to enable common people to build complex systems. So what are the approaches being tried ? How are the better/different/worse/etc ? what could we learn from them ? Second - what does it mean to the software engineering profession ? to freelancers ? Third - what are the implications to entrepreneurs ? what kind of new opportunities does this open ? could this make large corporations agile enough to make it hard for startups ? what are good strategies ? On the other hand, often you see here discussed some toy programming language that someone made(which is a cool project), but the improvements are quite small, the implications are quite small, and the major reason people find it so interesting is the bubble.