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I agree that something drastic has to happen to show goodwill to Uber's current employees, but I think what you are asking for, practically speaking, is for the

by lcw 10y ago

I agree that something drastic has to happen to show goodwill to Uber's current employees, but I think what you are asking for, practically speaking, is for them to shutdown. I don't know what the best option is, but shaking up management that much, from what I have experienced, is a death sentence for a company. I feel bad for Susan and Amy; I also feel for the good employees at Uber. It would be good to get a little more context from Susan and Amy to see how systemic this harassment really is/was. Some of it reads like lots of people were complicit, but I have to imagine there are/were a good portion of good people there who were not. As a man I embarrassingly feel like I am completely oblivious to harassment of women in the workplace, because I'm not complicit in it, and I don't have close enough relationships with woman colleagues for them to divulge this kind of personal information. I would hope there are a lot of people that were innocuously oblivious to it... if not that would be sickening.

throwanem 10y ago
I've never seen sexual harassment play out in front of me, but I have seen several other sorts, and my experience suggests that you don't need binoculars and a field guide to know what's going on.
- lcw 10y ago
  Well yes if it's systemic, I agree, but if it's committed by a few bad actors then I think it is difficult for anyone not involved to tell how bad it is. If I was on Susan's team and my manager was the only perpetrator and he did so through private messages, and Susan didn't divulge what happen to her to me then I feel like I would never know, and that would be reasonable. Now if her manager was being outwardly inappropriate (bordering on harassment), and it was being condoned by colleagues that's a different story, and I would agree with you. That's all I really want to know about Uber's culture, because harassment where I have worked is more secretive and nuanced then the latter example, and the reason I haven't been aware of it while it's happening. I'm only aware when the people involved take appropriate action.

by lcw 10y ago

throwanem 10y ago

I've never seen sexual harassment play out in front of me, but I have seen several other sorts, and my experience suggests that you don't need binoculars and a field guide to know what's going on.

lcw 10y ago
Well yes if it's systemic, I agree, but if it's committed by a few bad actors then I think it is difficult for anyone not involved to tell how bad it is. If I was on Susan's team and my manager was the only perpetrator and he did so through private messages, and Susan didn't divulge what happen to her to me then I feel like I would never know, and that would be reasonable. Now if her manager was being outwardly inappropriate (bordering on harassment), and it was being condoned by colleagues that's a different story, and I would agree with you. That's all I really want to know about Uber's culture, because harassment where I have worked is more secretive and nuanced then the latter example, and the reason I haven't been aware of it while it's happening. I'm only aware when the people involved take appropriate action.