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> but the vast majority of our illegal immigration are people who come here with no intention of leaving That's the intention but unless they brought all thei

by rdtsc 10y ago

> but the vast majority of our illegal immigration are people who come here with no intention of leaving That's the intention but unless they brought all their family over they'd probably find a need to leave at some point. So preventing re-entry is a plausible cause. > obviously won't do much for terrorism prevention, because those people tend to leave the country contemporaneously with leaving the earth. Unless their plot fails and they are trying to escape and regroup. Now how many of those failed plots that we were about to catch them but they escaped have we solved recently. I can't think of any. Working with the government for a bit, I would say when stuff like this comes about, the reasons are usually more more about money. Something like a a company lobbied to get a large hundred million dollar contract to implement this. And it just happens that the head of DHS is first cousin with the CEO of said company.

trustfundbaby 10y ago
> That's the intention but unless they brought all their family over they'd probably find a need to leave at some point With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. If you overstay a visa, you're going to stay in the country no matter what. I know folks who have missed family funerals because of that. Especially once you realize you can get married and have children who are citizens. This is why amnesty is a huge deal for lots of folks.
- rdtsc 10y ago
  > With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. If you overstay a visa, you're going to stay in the country no matter what. How is overstaying a visa a necessary requirement for staying in the country no matter what. Some people might just make mistakes and come clean and explain what they did. Some might hope to get lucky. Maybe some are extra sneaky and want to borrow a passport from one of their cousins (but that biometrics checks though it making it tricky these days). > I know folks who have missed family funerals because of that. So they snuck in on a tourist visa, lied about the purpose and then never left missing their mother's or father's funeral even? > This is why amnesty is a huge deal for lots of folks. You think this very common and now after they snuck in they want amnesty? Well I can certainly see that. But I can also see why a lot of Americans might not want to give them amnesty as well. Last year 2.5M people were deported that will probably continue. > I know folks who have missed family funerals because of that. Well tell your folks to stay put and especially stay away from anywhere near a border. People have been deported just by boarding an inter-city bus. Because it was stopped and searched by immigration officers.
  - Animats 10y ago
    Don't even go outside.[1] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/fewer-immigrants-at-stores-food-pantries-day-labor-centers/2017/02/26/a9704336-fa02-11e6-9845-576c69081518_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/fewer-immig...
outworlder 10y ago
> That's the intention but unless they brought all their family over they'd probably find a need to leave at some point. No, they won't. If the overstay was on purpose, you can bet they are not leaving no matter what. > So preventing re-entry is a plausible cause. Which is something that's already done. When you leave, the airline reports that information(if by plane, no idea about other methods). It is a flawed system, but skewed against the individuals, as the airline may fail to report (not sure how often this happens). I was actually scared the first time I left the US, because there was no exit stamp. I had only been to countries which stamp your passport when you leave. If you are using the system for this purpose, you're using it to replace a cheap stamp, plus human verification.

by rdtsc 10y ago

trustfundbaby 10y ago

> That's the intention but unless they brought all their family over they'd probably find a need to leave at some point With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. If you overstay a visa, you're going to stay in the country no matter what. I know folks who have missed family funerals because of that. Especially once you realize you can get married and have children who are citizens. This is why amnesty is a huge deal for lots of folks.

rdtsc 10y ago
> With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. If you overstay a visa, you're going to stay in the country no matter what. How is overstaying a visa a necessary requirement for staying in the country no matter what. Some people might just make mistakes and come clean and explain what they did. Some might hope to get lucky. Maybe some are extra sneaky and want to borrow a passport from one of their cousins (but that biometrics checks though it making it tricky these days). > I know folks who have missed family funerals because of that. So they snuck in on a tourist visa, lied about the purpose and then never left missing their mother's or father's funeral even? > This is why amnesty is a huge deal for lots of folks. You think this very common and now after they snuck in they want amnesty? Well I can certainly see that. But I can also see why a lot of Americans might not want to give them amnesty as well. Last year 2.5M people were deported that will probably continue. > I know folks who have missed family funerals because of that. Well tell your folks to stay put and especially stay away from anywhere near a border. People have been deported just by boarding an inter-city bus. Because it was stopped and searched by immigration officers.
- Animats 10y ago
  Don't even go outside.[1] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/fewer-immigrants-at-stores-food-pantries-day-labor-centers/2017/02/26/a9704336-fa02-11e6-9845-576c69081518_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/fewer-immig...

outworlder 10y ago

> That's the intention but unless they brought all their family over they'd probably find a need to leave at some point. No, they won't. If the overstay was on purpose, you can bet they are not leaving no matter what. > So preventing re-entry is a plausible cause. Which is something that's already done. When you leave, the airline reports that information(if by plane, no idea about other methods). It is a flawed system, but skewed against the individuals, as the airline may fail to report (not sure how often this happens). I was actually scared the first time I left the US, because there was no exit stamp. I had only been to countries which stamp your passport when you leave. If you are using the system for this purpose, you're using it to replace a cheap stamp, plus human verification.