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"If they dont stand up for themselves on any level, then they simply arent being abused" This is, hands down, the worst take ever.
by st3v3r 10y ago
"If they dont stand up for themselves on any level, then they simply arent being abused"
This is, hands down, the worst take ever.
- mememachine 10y agoCare to explain? If your "explanation" is just dramatic grandstanding, ill be disappointed.
- xapata 10y agoSome behaviors are generally considered unethical, regardless of whether a victim complains. If you murder someone, that's (generally) unethical, even if the victim's family doesn't seem to mind. Saying the victim was too apathetic to care will not change the verdict. Sexual harassment in the workplace is unethical, even if the (wo)man pretends to like it.
- mememachine 10y agoOf course, and I don't disagree about any of this (nor does anything I have said so far). I think you're missing my point here. Also I'd appreciate a response in the other threads we have!
- xapata 10y agoI apparently am missing your point entirely as most of your comments seem directly contradictory to the idea that harassment can be objectively observed.
- mememachine 10y agoWhat do you mean by "objectively observed"? Obviously im not asking in general, but in this case.
- xapata 10y agoSexual harassment is defined in the legal code, for the US at least. There's a pretty healthy history of cases to clarify the details. If you're curious about it, your HR department probably has some training materials.
- mememachine 10y ago>If you're curious about it, your HR department probably has some training materials. There you go again, with the pointless grandstanding. It seems like you never had any intention of having a genuine discussion, since I can't find a single one of your comments that doesn't read as venomous and disingenuous. You're exactly the type of person that needs HR, and I mean that in a bad way really.
- xapata 10y agoNot sure what you mean by grandstanding. You asked how harassment can be objectively observed. I explained that it's defined in the law. Did I misunderstand what you meant? BTW, I try to be polite, but ain't so easy when you're accusing and insulting me.
- mememachine 10y agoIm not sure I believe that youre really trying to be polite here at all. Youre playing a game kids play. Maybe you dont realize that.
- xapata 10y agoHow many replies does the HN forum allow? Can you give me another? Edit: Sorry, that was rude. But I couldn't resist.
- lz400 10y agoYou are writing a lot of comments with apparently little relation to the case at hand but that hint that you are basically trying to blame the victim in the general case and then accusing everyone of misrepresenting you when they try to make sense of the mess you got yourself into. It's at best a dysfunctional conversation. I think all the comments and downvotes are sending you a clear message.
- st3v3r 10y agoAbuse has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether or not the victim feels they can safely report it. NOTHING. End of story.