>which btw is hideously incomprehensible -- I'm talking old c++ with almost no comments What does "old" have to do with it? Modern code is all like that too.

>which btw is hideously incomprehensible -- I'm talking old c++ with almost no comments What does "old" have to do with it? Modern code is all like that too. Every time I complain about it, including just a day or two right here on HN, I get a bunch of responses saying "I don't need comments, my code is self-documenting". In my experience, most programmers do not use comments much at all, and it's entirely incomprehensible to anyone new to the project.