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Amy, many people believe your story. But based on the flags this story is getting, many don't, at least not yet. Is there any way you can verify the authentici

by reledi 10y ago

Amy, many people believe your story. But based on the flags this story is getting, many don't, at least not yet. Is there any way you can verify the authenticity of your story without losing your anonymity to the public? For example, would Susan be able to verify you as an ex-employee?

mirimir 10y ago
> But based on the flags this story is getting, many don't [believe your story]. Or maybe they know her story all too well, and are angry to see it here. It's not like there's nobody from Uber on HN, I mean.
sounds 10y ago
Amy, I believe your story because it is a second independent set of events that closely parallels Susan's story. You do not need to suffer more indignity by "being outed." Best of luck!
- bigiain 10y ago
  I also believe your story Amy, and strongly suggest you think _very_ carefully before providing any sort pf "proof" to people who demand it, and view those people with intense suspicion. And reledi? Grow up man - give up on your "not all men" attitude - trying desperately to preserve your own dignity by failing to acknowledge that our industry treats women in ways with should shame all men, and that your "Holy Grail" tech employers like Uber are at the worst end of the bell curve - quite clearly run by reprehensible human beings from the top down - which filters all the way down the org chart. #deleteuber
  - kristofferR 10y ago
    What you think about "not all men" seems to dependent on whether you believe that the concept of original sin is immoral or not. I don't think I should feel shame because someone I had no control over, which incidentally had the same gender/skin color/nationality/ethnicity as me, did something wrong.
    - sounds 10y ago
      I thought his mention of Holy Grail was more in line with the definition "a thing that is being earnestly pursued or sought after." [1] I don't think his eschatology was at all a part of his argument.
      - kristofferR 10y ago
        I didn't mean to reference the Holy Grail, sorry for the confusion. I added a second paragraph to clarify. I meant that how you feel about being told you should feel shameful about being a male due to how other men sometimes act probably depends on how you react to being told that you're a sinful person who needs to redeem yourself because someone else ate an apple they weren't supposed to eat. The "you" in my post weren't directed at him either, it was just a generic you. Damn, English is hard.
- reledi 10y ago
  I also believe Amy. But I recognize that many don't. The story will have difficulty making an impact if people are easily attacking its authenticity.
indifferentalex 10y ago
I agree, this is the only thing that I've been wondering, otherwise it really is, for me personally, the end of any interaction with the company, it is unforgivable if true.
- bigiain 10y ago
  Do you have _any_ basis at all for your suggestion that _all_ of the stories you hear in private and public about the leadership and management of Uber being toxic all the way from the top are ever worth "wondering" about their truthfulness? Is _any_ of Uber's public behaviour worthy of giving them the benefit of the doubt? They're rotten through and through - and here you have the audacity and insensitivity to question individual accounts of poor treatment at the hands of the clearly reprehensible garbage in control of the company? _Seriously?_
  - indifferentalex 10y ago
    Yeah I do: everyone can lie. Also, innocent until proven guilty, don't just believe what you hear, etc. I see the smoke, I know that by practically all chances there's a fire, but before I grab my pitchfork and go on a crusade telling everyone and anyone to never use uber again (which I will quite soon judging by the escalation and their inability to handle the accusations only adding to the likeliness of their guilt) I would like to make sure I'm 100% sure that what's been said is true. No need for more zealots, one's already in the whitehouse.
kristofferR 10y ago
Many people hate Uber. Maybe Amy wrote this. Maybe a taxi driver wrote this. I have no idea, and to pretend otherwise is to fool myself in order to confirm my preconceived notions.
- stale2002 10y ago
  Maybe you should follow the trend. One person coming forward is not evidence. Evidence is when every single Uber engineer that I talk to, backs up these claims. Don't focus on this one case. Focus on all the other women who are going to come forward in the next couple weeks.
  - kelukelugames 10y ago
    The CEO of my previous company called Travis an asshole. It was pretty funny at the time, but now not so much.

by reledi 10y ago

mirimir 10y ago

> But based on the flags this story is getting, many don't [believe your story]. Or maybe they know her story all too well, and are angry to see it here. It's not like there's nobody from Uber on HN, I mean.

sounds 10y ago

Amy, I believe your story because it is a second independent set of events that closely parallels Susan's story. You do not need to suffer more indignity by "being outed." Best of luck!

bigiain 10y ago
I also believe your story Amy, and strongly suggest you think _very_ carefully before providing any sort pf "proof" to people who demand it, and view those people with intense suspicion. And reledi? Grow up man - give up on your "not all men" attitude - trying desperately to preserve your own dignity by failing to acknowledge that our industry treats women in ways with should shame all men, and that your "Holy Grail" tech employers like Uber are at the worst end of the bell curve - quite clearly run by reprehensible human beings from the top down - which filters all the way down the org chart. #deleteuber
- kristofferR 10y ago
  What you think about "not all men" seems to dependent on whether you believe that the concept of original sin is immoral or not. I don't think I should feel shame because someone I had no control over, which incidentally had the same gender/skin color/nationality/ethnicity as me, did something wrong.
  - sounds 10y ago
    I thought his mention of Holy Grail was more in line with the definition "a thing that is being earnestly pursued or sought after." [1] I don't think his eschatology was at all a part of his argument.
    - kristofferR 10y ago
      I didn't mean to reference the Holy Grail, sorry for the confusion. I added a second paragraph to clarify. I meant that how you feel about being told you should feel shameful about being a male due to how other men sometimes act probably depends on how you react to being told that you're a sinful person who needs to redeem yourself because someone else ate an apple they weren't supposed to eat. The "you" in my post weren't directed at him either, it was just a generic you. Damn, English is hard.
reledi 10y ago
I also believe Amy. But I recognize that many don't. The story will have difficulty making an impact if people are easily attacking its authenticity.

indifferentalex 10y ago

I agree, this is the only thing that I've been wondering, otherwise it really is, for me personally, the end of any interaction with the company, it is unforgivable if true.

bigiain 10y ago
Do you have _any_ basis at all for your suggestion that _all_ of the stories you hear in private and public about the leadership and management of Uber being toxic all the way from the top are ever worth "wondering" about their truthfulness? Is _any_ of Uber's public behaviour worthy of giving them the benefit of the doubt? They're rotten through and through - and here you have the audacity and insensitivity to question individual accounts of poor treatment at the hands of the clearly reprehensible garbage in control of the company? _Seriously?_
- indifferentalex 10y ago
  Yeah I do: everyone can lie. Also, innocent until proven guilty, don't just believe what you hear, etc. I see the smoke, I know that by practically all chances there's a fire, but before I grab my pitchfork and go on a crusade telling everyone and anyone to never use uber again (which I will quite soon judging by the escalation and their inability to handle the accusations only adding to the likeliness of their guilt) I would like to make sure I'm 100% sure that what's been said is true. No need for more zealots, one's already in the whitehouse.

kristofferR 10y ago

Many people hate Uber. Maybe Amy wrote this. Maybe a taxi driver wrote this. I have no idea, and to pretend otherwise is to fool myself in order to confirm my preconceived notions.

stale2002 10y ago
Maybe you should follow the trend. One person coming forward is not evidence. Evidence is when every single Uber engineer that I talk to, backs up these claims. Don't focus on this one case. Focus on all the other women who are going to come forward in the next couple weeks.
- kelukelugames 10y ago
  The CEO of my previous company called Travis an asshole. It was pretty funny at the time, but now not so much.