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Seems to me there are 4 issues here: 1. Racism. Not okay. Fire him. 2. Sexist behavior Not okay. Warn and then fire him. 3. Working people hard That'

Seems to me there are 4 issues here: 1. Racism. Not okay. Fire him. 2. Sexist behavior Not okay. Warn and then fire him. 3. Working people hard That's okay. I was made to work hard. Long days no breaks hard deadlines. That's the world we live in. 4. How this affected her I'm sorry she went through this and it's not okay. How she chooses to feel and deal with this are under her control. She shouldn't have perpetuated her pain by staying in the situation.

muglug 10y ago
> How she chooses to feel and deal with this are under her control. She shouldn't have perpetuated her pain by staying in the situation. Can you understand how hard it is for someone to leave a job after a short amount of time, knowing that every future employer will see that on your resumé?
- late2part 10y ago
  Yes. Because I've done it. And you tell people it wasn't a good fit. And if it's uber you tell them it's because uber is a bunch of jerks.
  - muglug 10y ago
    Far easier when you're a 40-something male engineer with a large resumé than a relatively green female engineer who will already contend with some people who think she's not a culture fit, based solely on gender.
logfromblammo 10y ago
> 3. Working people hard That's okay. I was made to work hard. Long days no breaks hard deadlines. That's the world we live in. No, it's not okay. But this one is not the company's problem; it's on the union, or lack thereof.
morvita 10y ago
1,2. Why is racism considered a fireable offense, but sexism they should get a warning first? Either give them a warning on both or fire on both. 3. I think many would argue that we shouldn't have to live in a world where long days with no breaks is the accepted standard. I've worked that way, 10 hour days, 6-7 days a week, it's not sustainable and leads to burnout, poor quality work, and grumpy employees.
- late2part 10y ago
  I think you are right on the first part. I don't view racism and sexism as exactly the same type of thing. Racism is just evil, and sexism is sometimes just ignorance (he hits on her and doesn't know it's not wanted). But, same ignorance could be argued for racism, even though I think it's different. I dont think uber wants or cares for my opinion, but if it's beyond the pale, in both case, fire on first offense. Else, one warning and then out. Your second paragraph suggests an ideal that we should aspire to but it's not the reality for startups and high growth industries. If we seek out this part of this industry we shouldn't bellyache about the hours.
bbcbasic 10y ago
s/world/city/

muglug 10y ago

> How she chooses to feel and deal with this are under her control. She shouldn't have perpetuated her pain by staying in the situation. Can you understand how hard it is for someone to leave a job after a short amount of time, knowing that every future employer will see that on your resumé?

late2part 10y ago
Yes. Because I've done it. And you tell people it wasn't a good fit. And if it's uber you tell them it's because uber is a bunch of jerks.
- muglug 10y ago
  Far easier when you're a 40-something male engineer with a large resumé than a relatively green female engineer who will already contend with some people who think she's not a culture fit, based solely on gender.

logfromblammo 10y ago

> 3. Working people hard That's okay. I was made to work hard. Long days no breaks hard deadlines. That's the world we live in. No, it's not okay. But this one is not the company's problem; it's on the union, or lack thereof.

morvita 10y ago

1,2. Why is racism considered a fireable offense, but sexism they should get a warning first? Either give them a warning on both or fire on both. 3. I think many would argue that we shouldn't have to live in a world where long days with no breaks is the accepted standard. I've worked that way, 10 hour days, 6-7 days a week, it's not sustainable and leads to burnout, poor quality work, and grumpy employees.

late2part 10y ago
I think you are right on the first part. I don't view racism and sexism as exactly the same type of thing. Racism is just evil, and sexism is sometimes just ignorance (he hits on her and doesn't know it's not wanted). But, same ignorance could be argued for racism, even though I think it's different. I dont think uber wants or cares for my opinion, but if it's beyond the pale, in both case, fire on first offense. Else, one warning and then out. Your second paragraph suggests an ideal that we should aspire to but it's not the reality for startups and high growth industries. If we seek out this part of this industry we shouldn't bellyache about the hours.

bbcbasic 10y ago

s/world/city/