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> Self-driving cars won't start out safer than humans. All data that I've seen so far supports the conclusion that self-driving cars are already much, much saf

by lodi 10y ago

> Self-driving cars won't start out safer than humans. All data that I've seen so far supports the conclusion that self-driving cars are already much, much safer than humans. http://bigthink.com/ideafeed/googles-self-driving-car-is- http://bigthink.com/ideafeed/googles-self-driving-car-is- ridiculously-safe > When Tesla or any other company can prove to me that their cars are safer than human-driven vehicles, I won't oppose them on my roads. How can they be expected to prove their safety record to you without driving hundreds of millions of miles on public roads? They're already provably safer than humans in artificial "test course" scenarios.

frgtpsswrdlame 10y ago
The problem is there is no apples to apples comparison. Self-driving cars currently only handle the most basic, easy conditions so they have great safety statistics. Unfortunately, there is no accident data for humans which is confined to this type of driving. In fact, humans are probably quite good at driving on flat, straight roads with clearly demarcated road lines and the such. Most human accidents will almost certainly take place in conditions in which even Elon Musk would not suggest you test your Tesla's autonomous features. >How can they be expected to prove their safety record to you without driving hundreds of millions of miles on public roads? They're already provably safer than humans in artificial "test course" scenarios. If they are so ingenious as to build a self-driving car, you are telling me they can't think of a way to actually do an apples to apples test? Or is it that they don't want to prove their cars are safer? Or is it that they don't want to pay to prove their cars are safer?
unityByFreedom 10y ago
Average deaths in US is 1 per 100 million miles, in all vehicles, all weather, and all types of roads. Tesla is already less-safe when looking at fatalities involving autopilot. There have been one (FL), probably two deaths (China). That was when they only had around 150 million miles driving mostly in good weather and on divided roads with clear markings. The 1 in 100 million average in the US includes motorcycles and all types of cars, new and old. Tesla is a new luxury sedan driving on limited roads in limited scenarios.

by lodi 10y ago

frgtpsswrdlame 10y ago

The problem is there is no apples to apples comparison. Self-driving cars currently only handle the most basic, easy conditions so they have great safety statistics. Unfortunately, there is no accident data for humans which is confined to this type of driving. In fact, humans are probably quite good at driving on flat, straight roads with clearly demarcated road lines and the such. Most human accidents will almost certainly take place in conditions in which even Elon Musk would not suggest you test your Tesla's autonomous features. >How can they be expected to prove their safety record to you without driving hundreds of millions of miles on public roads? They're already provably safer than humans in artificial "test course" scenarios. If they are so ingenious as to build a self-driving car, you are telling me they can't think of a way to actually do an apples to apples test? Or is it that they don't want to prove their cars are safer? Or is it that they don't want to pay to prove their cars are safer?

unityByFreedom 10y ago

Average deaths in US is 1 per 100 million miles, in all vehicles, all weather, and all types of roads. Tesla is already less-safe when looking at fatalities involving autopilot. There have been one (FL), probably two deaths (China). That was when they only had around 150 million miles driving mostly in good weather and on divided roads with clear markings. The 1 in 100 million average in the US includes motorcycles and all types of cars, new and old. Tesla is a new luxury sedan driving on limited roads in limited scenarios.