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I don't know what you're referring to, they do tell you all the time. "It's unnatural!", is probably the most common argument against same-sex marriage, and can

by Tharre 10y ago

I don't know what you're referring to, they do tell you all the time. "It's unnatural!", is probably the most common argument against same-sex marriage, and can only refer to the "natural" marriage depicted in the bible (or koran, or whatever, you get the point). Of course they also invent other reasons, and bend the facts to fit their views. But everybody does that, it's just human nature.

mikeash 10y ago
In my brief perusal of the site's articles on marriage, I didn't see any religious arguments put forth. Please understand, I'm not attempting to make a general argument about every single person opposed to same-sex marriage. I'm specifically discussing the attitudes of stream.org, and by extension other people who hold a similar "freedom, small government, and no same-sex marriage" attitude.
- Tharre 10y ago
  Probably because the people who buy into these types of arguments are not the ones they're trying to persuade? In any case, they make their values rather clear[0]. [0] https://stream.org/ten-principles/ https://stream.org/ten-principles/
  - mikeash 10y ago
    Yes, they make their values clear. And those values are clearly contradictory. "Free societies protect private property. They allow their citizens to participate in the political process, to make basic economic choices, to exercise virtue and charity and to freely exercise their religious faith." "Evil is not just in our imaginations. We can’t eradicate it with the right amount of social engineering or positive thinking." "The state does not determine what marriage and family are, but it must recognize them. We should oppose political attempts to redefine marriage, which are wars against the creation itself." If they think official recognition of only "traditional" marriage is more important than the other stuff, then fine, but they should stop pretending that they're all about freedom.

by Tharre 10y ago

mikeash 10y ago

In my brief perusal of the site's articles on marriage, I didn't see any religious arguments put forth. Please understand, I'm not attempting to make a general argument about every single person opposed to same-sex marriage. I'm specifically discussing the attitudes of stream.org, and by extension other people who hold a similar "freedom, small government, and no same-sex marriage" attitude.

Tharre 10y ago
Probably because the people who buy into these types of arguments are not the ones they're trying to persuade? In any case, they make their values rather clear[0]. [0] https://stream.org/ten-principles/ https://stream.org/ten-principles/
- mikeash 10y ago
  Yes, they make their values clear. And those values are clearly contradictory. "Free societies protect private property. They allow their citizens to participate in the political process, to make basic economic choices, to exercise virtue and charity and to freely exercise their religious faith." "Evil is not just in our imaginations. We can’t eradicate it with the right amount of social engineering or positive thinking." "The state does not determine what marriage and family are, but it must recognize them. We should oppose political attempts to redefine marriage, which are wars against the creation itself." If they think official recognition of only "traditional" marriage is more important than the other stuff, then fine, but they should stop pretending that they're all about freedom.