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> I notice that you don't characterize my comment as wrong, you merely criticize the tone. It was not my intention to characterize your comment as wrong, I was

> I notice that you don't characterize my comment as wrong, you merely criticize the tone. It was not my intention to characterize your comment as wrong, I was expanding on your valid question about how a bureaucracy should deal with data, by giving you my opinion. Are you under the impression that this conversation is about winning ? In addition, it is disingenuous of you to imply that every one who receives government assistance is basically a child, unable to exist without a parent, and then get all thin-skinned when getting called out on it. If you want to make needlessly inflammatory remarks, be prepared to deal with the consequences. In this case the consequence to you was so harmless, that I even took the next sentence you wrote seriously, agreed with you and gave you my opinion. Closing remark: Don't use concepts like "tone policing" which describe a real thing, that real people experience when they're in a position of inferior power to try and tell me I am a baddie and that you feel bad, from being softly called out for being inflammatory on purpose. It's not the same thing, and it's a bit embarrassing for you.

yummyfajitas 10y ago
Tone policing is a real thing, and you engaged in it. Being a person expressing socially undesirable ideas (as you yourself note) makes me a person lacking privilege (in this conversation, at least). As noted by many sources, it's a privilege to be able to express your ideas without people being reflexively offended and angered by them. As you yourself note, I lack this privilege.
- yosamino 10y ago
  With all due respect, insulting people who lack relative power, and declaring them mentally unfit to run their lives does not make you "a person lacking privilege". Do not think that you're fooling anybody. You're deliberately using the language created by the social justice movement in an attempt do discredit it by claiming it applies to yourself in ridiculous situations such as this one. It's embarrassingly transparent.
  - yummyfajitas 10y ago
    I fully understand that most adherents to the social justice movement actually don't believe the arguments they make, and simply use them selectively to serve a few special groups or criticize those they consider enemies. I'm appealing to the arguments directly, not the flawed humans behind them. Are you suggesting the arguments are wrong?
    - yosamino 10y ago
      > I fully understand that most adherents to the social justice movement actually don't believe the arguments they make, At best this is a strawman, at worst you are just completely incorrect. If you truly believe this, you need to broaden your horizon, and maybe interact in good-faith with the people you are trying to ridicule because you refuse to understand their position. I am not telling you that I think their argument will end up being the correct one, or that you'll end up being wrong. I am telling you that you are debating in bad faith, and without trying to actually have a topic to have a debate about. > Are you suggesting the arguments are wrong? I am suggesting you are purposefully misunderstanding and mis-using them, because it suits your world-view. I am also suggesting that you are using dishonest debate tactics to try and "win" at a debate where there is nothing to win. I do not understand why you had to bring your flawed understanding of what is meant by "privilege" in to this discussion and kind of try and use it against me, when all I did was point out to you, that insulting people isn't very nice. You, not me, not anyone else, chose to write down on the screen in front of you, an insult and then, when being called out on it ever so gently, chose to start a dishonest, bad-faith debate about "tone policing". Why you did this, is something that only you can answer. Good day.

yummyfajitas 10y ago

Tone policing is a real thing, and you engaged in it. Being a person expressing socially undesirable ideas (as you yourself note) makes me a person lacking privilege (in this conversation, at least). As noted by many sources, it's a privilege to be able to express your ideas without people being reflexively offended and angered by them. As you yourself note, I lack this privilege.

yosamino 10y ago
With all due respect, insulting people who lack relative power, and declaring them mentally unfit to run their lives does not make you "a person lacking privilege". Do not think that you're fooling anybody. You're deliberately using the language created by the social justice movement in an attempt do discredit it by claiming it applies to yourself in ridiculous situations such as this one. It's embarrassingly transparent.
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  I fully understand that most adherents to the social justice movement actually don't believe the arguments they make, and simply use them selectively to serve a few special groups or criticize those they consider enemies. I'm appealing to the arguments directly, not the flawed humans behind them. Are you suggesting the arguments are wrong?
  - yosamino 10y ago
    > I fully understand that most adherents to the social justice movement actually don't believe the arguments they make, At best this is a strawman, at worst you are just completely incorrect. If you truly believe this, you need to broaden your horizon, and maybe interact in good-faith with the people you are trying to ridicule because you refuse to understand their position. I am not telling you that I think their argument will end up being the correct one, or that you'll end up being wrong. I am telling you that you are debating in bad faith, and without trying to actually have a topic to have a debate about. > Are you suggesting the arguments are wrong? I am suggesting you are purposefully misunderstanding and mis-using them, because it suits your world-view. I am also suggesting that you are using dishonest debate tactics to try and "win" at a debate where there is nothing to win. I do not understand why you had to bring your flawed understanding of what is meant by "privilege" in to this discussion and kind of try and use it against me, when all I did was point out to you, that insulting people isn't very nice. You, not me, not anyone else, chose to write down on the screen in front of you, an insult and then, when being called out on it ever so gently, chose to start a dishonest, bad-faith debate about "tone policing". Why you did this, is something that only you can answer. Good day.