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None of these apps feel quite right though. Even Atom still doesn't do DPI scaling properly. VSCode does, but opening 2 panes sometimes causes it to break. Sam

None of these apps feel quite right though. Even Atom still doesn't do DPI scaling properly. VSCode does, but opening 2 panes sometimes causes it to break. Sample problem (left pane blurry, right pane sharp - view at 1:1 scale on ~100dpi screen to notice it easiest, but it's quite visible to me with scaling even): https://i.imgur.com/Ju0UK2K.png https://i.imgur.com/Ju0UK2K.png

zer0t3ch 10y ago
I've never had any issue with Discord feeling "not quite right".
- mememachine 10y ago
  You dont know what he means? They dont feel like native, they feel like web apps.
  - zer0t3ch 10y ago
    I have noticed that with some Electron apps in the past, but I had actually never noticed that with Discord. I thought it was native for the first 4 months I was using it because it was just done so well, no lag and such. The one thing that usually gives away electron apps is their lack of custom right-click handling, meaning a right-click will give you the generic context menu you would normally see in a browser. Discord seems to handle all right-clicks with their own context menus which is why I never caught onto it at first.
    - mememachine 10y ago
      What gives away electron to me is the really giant non-native UI elements. Its like everything is as bloated as the underlying system!
      - zer0t3ch 10y ago
        > really giant non-native UI elements You act like this is a problem exclusive to Electron apps. People have been doing shit like that forever.
    - problems 10y ago
      Sample weird behavior from Discord: Make the window too small and the buttons overlap in the titlebar. I didn't even pick an extremely small size or anything, this was about half my screen width on my Macbook. But this is the kind of thing that making a proper native app forces you to think about, but that making an Electron app often doesn't. http://i.imgur.com/MOaESLC.png http://i.imgur.com/MOaESLC.png I can pretty much tell within a minute of starting an Electron app because things just don't feel right no matter what the app is. Sibling mememachine is also pretty accurate - Discord is very oversized like many other Electron apps. Not using native platform widgets is also incredibly noticable. Every time you're not using native platform buttons or menus it's so easy to tell, it feels weirdly slow, has excessive gaudy animations, the spacing is wrong, text size is wrong, etc. That's not to say that it can't be done right just that you're on an existing platform and that consistency is key.
      - zer0t3ch 10y ago
        While you do raise some valid points, and some that I disagree with, I've grown to appreciate such apps as of late. There was a time not long ago where half the shit on my computer was Java because that was the only practical way to make a decent cross-platform application without having to relearn different things for each platform. Yeah, the whole "apps built on web-technology" movement could use some refinement to reduce bloat and such, but when done correctly, it seems to work out pretty well for the most part.

zer0t3ch 10y ago

I've never had any issue with Discord feeling "not quite right".

mememachine 10y ago
You dont know what he means? They dont feel like native, they feel like web apps.
- zer0t3ch 10y ago
  I have noticed that with some Electron apps in the past, but I had actually never noticed that with Discord. I thought it was native for the first 4 months I was using it because it was just done so well, no lag and such. The one thing that usually gives away electron apps is their lack of custom right-click handling, meaning a right-click will give you the generic context menu you would normally see in a browser. Discord seems to handle all right-clicks with their own context menus which is why I never caught onto it at first.
  - mememachine 10y ago
    What gives away electron to me is the really giant non-native UI elements. Its like everything is as bloated as the underlying system!
    - zer0t3ch 10y ago
      > really giant non-native UI elements You act like this is a problem exclusive to Electron apps. People have been doing shit like that forever.
  - problems 10y ago
    Sample weird behavior from Discord: Make the window too small and the buttons overlap in the titlebar. I didn't even pick an extremely small size or anything, this was about half my screen width on my Macbook. But this is the kind of thing that making a proper native app forces you to think about, but that making an Electron app often doesn't. http://i.imgur.com/MOaESLC.png http://i.imgur.com/MOaESLC.png I can pretty much tell within a minute of starting an Electron app because things just don't feel right no matter what the app is. Sibling mememachine is also pretty accurate - Discord is very oversized like many other Electron apps. Not using native platform widgets is also incredibly noticable. Every time you're not using native platform buttons or menus it's so easy to tell, it feels weirdly slow, has excessive gaudy animations, the spacing is wrong, text size is wrong, etc. That's not to say that it can't be done right just that you're on an existing platform and that consistency is key.
    - zer0t3ch 10y ago
      While you do raise some valid points, and some that I disagree with, I've grown to appreciate such apps as of late. There was a time not long ago where half the shit on my computer was Java because that was the only practical way to make a decent cross-platform application without having to relearn different things for each platform. Yeah, the whole "apps built on web-technology" movement could use some refinement to reduce bloat and such, but when done correctly, it seems to work out pretty well for the most part.