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"This country has decided they don't need you and me, they don't deserve our labour, our ideas and our taxes." What about an EU citizen deciding to move to the

by _yosefk 10y ago

"This country has decided they don't need you and me, they don't deserve our labour, our ideas and our taxes." What about an EU citizen deciding to move to the US, Canada, Australia, Brazil or India? These countries were never in the EU. Did they therefore decide they don't need EU citizens? If not, why is the UK after it exits from the EU necessarily a less welcoming place for EU citizens than other non-EU countries?

pavlov 10y ago
The United States is not a welcoming place for EU citizens. Immigration is strictly limited, the procedures expensive and time-consuming. If that's the bar for the UK government, the grandparent poster is right: it's not going to be worth even looking at Britain. To put it another way: if working in London, New York and San Francisco are going to be equally difficult to arrange, I'm not sure why anyone would prefer London. Housing is as expensive as NY or SF, yet wages are much lower. The weather isn't great either.
- _yosefk 10y ago
  These can be valid points for some, and carry less weight for others (say, if you live in Paris and are offered a good job in London, and they help you deal with the visa stuff, for most it's probably also nice to be able to visit Paris much more easily than you could from NY or SF.) At any rate, "not sure why anyone would prefer London with the post-EU laws" is very different from "they decided they don't want me because they're not in the EU (even though there might be an otherwise nicely sounding arrangement available for me)."
  - Symbiote 10y ago
    > if you live in Paris and are offered a good job in London, and they help you deal with the visa stuff Note that the freedom of movement in the EU means there isn't any "visa stuff" to deal with. An EU citizen moving to the UK needs to fill in a form, to get a "National Insurance" number. The same would be required of a British citizen that didn't have one, for example if they'd been born and lived overseas before moving to the UK. There are no other requirements that don't also apply to British / resident people moving within the UK.
    - _yosefk 10y ago
      Well, yeah, but here the entire discussion is about UK's exit from the EU, at which point freedom of movement in the EU doesn't apply, I think. So I was describing a hypothetical future situation where you would have some "stuff" to deal with.

by _yosefk 10y ago

pavlov 10y ago

The United States is not a welcoming place for EU citizens. Immigration is strictly limited, the procedures expensive and time-consuming. If that's the bar for the UK government, the grandparent poster is right: it's not going to be worth even looking at Britain. To put it another way: if working in London, New York and San Francisco are going to be equally difficult to arrange, I'm not sure why anyone would prefer London. Housing is as expensive as NY or SF, yet wages are much lower. The weather isn't great either.

_yosefk 10y ago
These can be valid points for some, and carry less weight for others (say, if you live in Paris and are offered a good job in London, and they help you deal with the visa stuff, for most it's probably also nice to be able to visit Paris much more easily than you could from NY or SF.) At any rate, "not sure why anyone would prefer London with the post-EU laws" is very different from "they decided they don't want me because they're not in the EU (even though there might be an otherwise nicely sounding arrangement available for me)."
- Symbiote 10y ago
  > if you live in Paris and are offered a good job in London, and they help you deal with the visa stuff Note that the freedom of movement in the EU means there isn't any "visa stuff" to deal with. An EU citizen moving to the UK needs to fill in a form, to get a "National Insurance" number. The same would be required of a British citizen that didn't have one, for example if they'd been born and lived overseas before moving to the UK. There are no other requirements that don't also apply to British / resident people moving within the UK.
  - _yosefk 10y ago
    Well, yeah, but here the entire discussion is about UK's exit from the EU, at which point freedom of movement in the EU doesn't apply, I think. So I was describing a hypothetical future situation where you would have some "stuff" to deal with.