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My perspective is a little bit different. If they want to kick me out, I'll go somewhere else. I am Irish; the probability is high that my nationality will be

by barrkel 10y ago

My perspective is a little bit different. If they want to kick me out, I'll go somewhere else. I am Irish; the probability is high that my nationality will be treated differently owing to history. But if they want me to ask to stay, they can go fuck themselves.

toyg 10y ago
I agree with your attitude in the long run (and am looking to move out myself), but in the immediate I think it's important for people to prepare so that they are not arbitrarily pressured into making immediate choices. Say you own a house, and the government says you don't have a right to live here anymore; you'll likely sell that house at a low price as you rush to relocate. History is full of this sort of profiteering following forced exodus (Spanish Jews, German Jews, Turkish Greeks and so on). If a bit if bureaucracy can save you from that, I think it's smart to do it.
- a3n 10y ago
  > (Spanish Jews, German Jews, Turkish Greeks and so on) And many more; as an American it immediately brings to mind WWII Japanese internment. Businesses and homes lost to pressure and profiteering as people were ripped out of society and dropped in open-air prisons.
farbrortumm 10y ago
"If they want me to ask to stay, they can go fuck themselves." Swede living in London here. I've got exactly the same opinion.
- kawsper 10y ago
  Dane living in Nottingham here, I feel the exact same way. I am working remote, so my job moves with me, and it might be back home, hopefully with my british girlfriend :) but I fear the future, and how much bureaucracy we will face.
  - rolandino 10y ago
    UK person living in London. Feel the same. And I'm a UK citizen. If all goes as plans, the UK will become some weird, inward looking backwater, with crap schools, health service - unless you're v rich.
  - yread 10y ago
    Spoken like a true Viking: take their gold AND their wenches!
alecco 10y ago
> If they want to kick me out Did the article? This is about a cutoff date to stop a wave of last minute immigrants. Nothing about expelling current ones. Don't let clickbait headlines make you angry.
- kbart 10y ago
  "Nothing about expelling current ones. " Don't be so sure about that: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-deported-from-uk-despite-being-married-to-briton-for-27-years https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-...
  - MLR 10y ago
    This case is completely unrelated to the rights of EU citizens to live and work in the UK.
    - kbart 10y ago
      While slightly different laws may apply, it clearly shows the attitude of UK's officials.
    - Anderkent 10y ago
      For now. Presumably even if you were here for >5 years now as an EU citizen, if you went to europe for >2 years, you wouldn't be allowed in, the same as this lady.
- ascorbic 10y ago
  They probably won't be expelling anyone, but the UK government has explicitly said that they'll use the rights of EU citizens in the UK as a bargaining chip, so if I were an EU citizen in the UK I'd be worried.
  - gadders 10y ago
    They've explicitly said they don't want to use them as a bargaining chip, but would be foolish to give it up uniliaterally.
raverbashing 10y ago
> I am Irish; the probability is high that my nationality will be treated differently owing to history Yes, I think you're allowed to stay.
- CalRobert 10y ago
  Based on what exactly? If you have sources to cite there are many interested people. So far we've a general feeling of "people have been moving between these two countries freely since decades before the EU existed so they couldn't stop that... could they?" - could they? Then again, isn't the EU supposed to bargain as a block? Any firm comment on this by a party in a position to influence policy would be received with great interest.
  - pjc50 10y ago
    Ireland is a special case; the Ireland Act 1949 provides that "Ireland is not a foreign country", and the Good Friday Agreement requires an open border between Eire and NI. Like everything else, this is now subject to uncertainty. http://irishpost.co.uk/irish-government-attempts-calm-citizens-uk-ministers-refuse-guarantee-eu-nationals-rights-remain/ http://irishpost.co.uk/irish-government-attempts-calm-citize... (The possibility of NI rejoining Éire has now moved from "unthinkable" to "maybe". If a border gets imposed as part of Brexit that moves to "likely")
    - ascorbic 10y ago
      There hasn't been a word from the UK government about how this could be achieved. There seems to be no realistic way to retain an open border with the Republic of Ireland while not having an open border with the rest of the EU. The mythical Romanian could just fly to Dublin, drive to NI and catch a ferry. The only solution that I can see is to move the border to the North Sea. An open border with the Republic, but border controls between NI and GB. I imagine that will go down like a cup of cold sick with a good proportion of the population of NI.
      - pjc50 10y ago
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MLR 10y ago
Irish citizens in the UK hold a more favourable status than EU citizens as is, the likelyhood of this changing is practically nil.

by barrkel 10y ago

toyg 10y ago

I agree with your attitude in the long run (and am looking to move out myself), but in the immediate I think it's important for people to prepare so that they are not arbitrarily pressured into making immediate choices. Say you own a house, and the government says you don't have a right to live here anymore; you'll likely sell that house at a low price as you rush to relocate. History is full of this sort of profiteering following forced exodus (Spanish Jews, German Jews, Turkish Greeks and so on). If a bit if bureaucracy can save you from that, I think it's smart to do it.

a3n 10y ago
> (Spanish Jews, German Jews, Turkish Greeks and so on) And many more; as an American it immediately brings to mind WWII Japanese internment. Businesses and homes lost to pressure and profiteering as people were ripped out of society and dropped in open-air prisons.

farbrortumm 10y ago

"If they want me to ask to stay, they can go fuck themselves." Swede living in London here. I've got exactly the same opinion.

kawsper 10y ago
Dane living in Nottingham here, I feel the exact same way. I am working remote, so my job moves with me, and it might be back home, hopefully with my british girlfriend :) but I fear the future, and how much bureaucracy we will face.
- rolandino 10y ago
  UK person living in London. Feel the same. And I'm a UK citizen. If all goes as plans, the UK will become some weird, inward looking backwater, with crap schools, health service - unless you're v rich.
- yread 10y ago
  Spoken like a true Viking: take their gold AND their wenches!

alecco 10y ago

> If they want to kick me out Did the article? This is about a cutoff date to stop a wave of last minute immigrants. Nothing about expelling current ones. Don't let clickbait headlines make you angry.

kbart 10y ago
"Nothing about expelling current ones. " Don't be so sure about that: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-deported-from-uk-despite-being-married-to-briton-for-27-years https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-...
- MLR 10y ago
  This case is completely unrelated to the rights of EU citizens to live and work in the UK.
  - kbart 10y ago
    While slightly different laws may apply, it clearly shows the attitude of UK's officials.
  - Anderkent 10y ago
    For now. Presumably even if you were here for >5 years now as an EU citizen, if you went to europe for >2 years, you wouldn't be allowed in, the same as this lady.
ascorbic 10y ago
They probably won't be expelling anyone, but the UK government has explicitly said that they'll use the rights of EU citizens in the UK as a bargaining chip, so if I were an EU citizen in the UK I'd be worried.
- gadders 10y ago
  They've explicitly said they don't want to use them as a bargaining chip, but would be foolish to give it up uniliaterally.

raverbashing 10y ago

> I am Irish; the probability is high that my nationality will be treated differently owing to history Yes, I think you're allowed to stay.

CalRobert 10y ago
Based on what exactly? If you have sources to cite there are many interested people. So far we've a general feeling of "people have been moving between these two countries freely since decades before the EU existed so they couldn't stop that... could they?" - could they? Then again, isn't the EU supposed to bargain as a block? Any firm comment on this by a party in a position to influence policy would be received with great interest.
- pjc50 10y ago
  Ireland is a special case; the Ireland Act 1949 provides that "Ireland is not a foreign country", and the Good Friday Agreement requires an open border between Eire and NI. Like everything else, this is now subject to uncertainty. http://irishpost.co.uk/irish-government-attempts-calm-citizens-uk-ministers-refuse-guarantee-eu-nationals-rights-remain/ http://irishpost.co.uk/irish-government-attempts-calm-citize... (The possibility of NI rejoining Éire has now moved from "unthinkable" to "maybe". If a border gets imposed as part of Brexit that moves to "likely")
  - ascorbic 10y ago
    There hasn't been a word from the UK government about how this could be achieved. There seems to be no realistic way to retain an open border with the Republic of Ireland while not having an open border with the rest of the EU. The mythical Romanian could just fly to Dublin, drive to NI and catch a ferry. The only solution that I can see is to move the border to the North Sea. An open border with the Republic, but border controls between NI and GB. I imagine that will go down like a cup of cold sick with a good proportion of the population of NI.
    - pjc50 10y ago

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MLR 10y ago

Irish citizens in the UK hold a more favourable status than EU citizens as is, the likelyhood of this changing is practically nil.