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These shenanigans finally made me delete my Dropbox account, and set up an OwnCloud instance on Digital Ocean. I've found the OC client to be very nice on the

by JensRex 10y ago

These shenanigans finally made me delete my Dropbox account, and set up an OwnCloud instance on Digital Ocean. I've found the OC client to be very nice on the platforms I use (Linux, Windows, iOS). The Dropbox client on Linux was terrible to the point of being unusable.

trome 10y ago
Yeah, can vouch for Owncloud (although I've moved to the NextCloud fork), its a convenient replacement for Dropbox, just thrown an OrangePi Zero ($7), a JMS567 USB 3.0 to Sata adapter ($3) and any old HDD and you've got yourself a libre Dropbox that uses just a few watts and works consistently on all platforms. Note that the Wifi drivers aren't libre, but besides that everything else on the OrangePi Zero, from audio to ethernet is in kernel 4.10 under GPLv2.
- jbf1001 10y ago
  Do you think something like this is feasible for a home media server? I suspect things like video streaming from this would be slow, am I wrong?
  - cat199 10y ago
    Am not OP, and not speaking from direct experience, but a coworker was using a Pi-2 as a home media server without issue in some situations - basically he did the math on the bitrates per second and determined that the disk/wifi I/O (on the shared USB bus) was fast enough for his use case (IIRC streaming to main TV, possibly 1-2 more devices) I do know he was looking at upgrading to another mini-arm board with a dedicated PCI Nic or separate SATA due to the bus contention on the USB limiting data/network I/O because he wanted to serve more clients (family of 5 and associated devices) so I guess the short answer is 'maybe, depending on use case'..
    - trome 10y ago
      The OrangePis have much better IO (with the exception of the OrangePi+ 2, which is a bad buy), with each USB port being direct wired & capable of 40MB/s, and an onboard 100mbps PHY. Comparatively, the Raspi shoves all that over 1 USB port, ethernet included, so 4 to 5MB/s is about the best your gonna get with it.
  - aao 10y ago
    >Do you think something like this is feasible for a home media server? Absolutely. It's easy to install, works great, the only problem you need to solve is DNS. Either you need to use a service to point the domain to your dynamic IP or rent a static IP for your home address, which could pot expose your home network to attacks. >things like video streaming from this would be slow Depends on your uplink. Probably. If your home internet is fast you can stream for yourself or even a couple of people, but you can't really run a video streaming operation. It's easy math, just watch your bandwidth while your stream a video. On private customer plans, uplinks are usually artificially made a fraction of the bandwidth of downlinks by ISPs because they want businesses to be unable to run on them and buy the more expensive options instead
  - j_s 10y ago
    Well, you're probably not going to push 4K reliably. I have a feeling that tech will actually catch on, as opposed to 3D.
    - trome 10y ago
      If you get an OrangePi 2e ($35) or an OrangePi PC2 ($20) both have gigabit that performs well, you could easily push 4k reliably from either. They also have libre VPU support so you can playback 4k content if you plug in an HDMI cable.
  - squarefoot 10y ago
    You don't need to stream the data from the OPi, that is the wrong way for watching video because it would transcode the data on a light processor then send it unpacked on the network, which would consume a lot more bandwidth. Once you have the files on the disk attached to the board just set up a NFS and/or SMB server on it and let the clients players mount it as a network drive and suck the data. This way you can for example have all home TV sets playing each one a different movie at the same time.
mysterydip 10y ago
I like OwnCloud as well and use it for all my dev stuff, keeping things synced between desktop and laptop (and my hosted server). The one issue I've had was sometimes if it tried to sync while I was working in my IDE (gamemaker studio), somewhere between saving and compiling it would lose sync and want to redo the whole folder. I tended to pause sync until I finished working. Could have been a bug that was since fixed, but I still do it just in case.
josteink 10y ago
> These shenanigans finally made me delete my Dropbox account, and set up an OwnCloud instance on Digital Ocean. I've found the OC client to be very nice on the platforms I use (Linux, Windows, iOS So an implementation-detail for a feature on a platform you don't use caused you to shift to another product, which doesn't even support the feature you are complaining about? Am I reading you correct? By all means. If you're happy running a FOSS solution on servers you control, more power to you. I'm just confused about your reasoning.
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- ogezi 10y ago
  > So an implementation-detail for a feature on a platform you don't use caused you to shift to another product, which doesn't even support the feature you are complaining about? Am I reading you correct? I don't think he's talking about only this one issue. Dropbox had an issue with something of this sort recently [0]. They secretly gave their Mac application root privileges. They may have crossed the line for him here. I should say that I'm not speaking for him but I can see how something like this could have been the last straw for someone. I personally think that the way a company treats it customers is a good display of how good it's culture is. It's not a good sign that they did this. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12619722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12619722
  - stuaxo 10y ago
    Is this a different issue, or just a different part of the same thing ?
    - ogezi 10y ago
      I hazard the latter since they have had a series of problems except the one here. There was also a time that when you uploaded to Dropbox a file that was already on its servers, instead of storing the new file they stored a reference to the old one (that they already had) as per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2478567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2478567
aao 10y ago
https://nextcloud.com/ https://nextcloud.com/

by JensRex 10y ago

trome 10y ago

Yeah, can vouch for Owncloud (although I've moved to the NextCloud fork), its a convenient replacement for Dropbox, just thrown an OrangePi Zero ($7), a JMS567 USB 3.0 to Sata adapter ($3) and any old HDD and you've got yourself a libre Dropbox that uses just a few watts and works consistently on all platforms. Note that the Wifi drivers aren't libre, but besides that everything else on the OrangePi Zero, from audio to ethernet is in kernel 4.10 under GPLv2.

jbf1001 10y ago
Do you think something like this is feasible for a home media server? I suspect things like video streaming from this would be slow, am I wrong?
- cat199 10y ago
  Am not OP, and not speaking from direct experience, but a coworker was using a Pi-2 as a home media server without issue in some situations - basically he did the math on the bitrates per second and determined that the disk/wifi I/O (on the shared USB bus) was fast enough for his use case (IIRC streaming to main TV, possibly 1-2 more devices) I do know he was looking at upgrading to another mini-arm board with a dedicated PCI Nic or separate SATA due to the bus contention on the USB limiting data/network I/O because he wanted to serve more clients (family of 5 and associated devices) so I guess the short answer is 'maybe, depending on use case'..
  - trome 10y ago
    The OrangePis have much better IO (with the exception of the OrangePi+ 2, which is a bad buy), with each USB port being direct wired & capable of 40MB/s, and an onboard 100mbps PHY. Comparatively, the Raspi shoves all that over 1 USB port, ethernet included, so 4 to 5MB/s is about the best your gonna get with it.
- aao 10y ago
  >Do you think something like this is feasible for a home media server? Absolutely. It's easy to install, works great, the only problem you need to solve is DNS. Either you need to use a service to point the domain to your dynamic IP or rent a static IP for your home address, which could pot expose your home network to attacks. >things like video streaming from this would be slow Depends on your uplink. Probably. If your home internet is fast you can stream for yourself or even a couple of people, but you can't really run a video streaming operation. It's easy math, just watch your bandwidth while your stream a video. On private customer plans, uplinks are usually artificially made a fraction of the bandwidth of downlinks by ISPs because they want businesses to be unable to run on them and buy the more expensive options instead
- j_s 10y ago
  Well, you're probably not going to push 4K reliably. I have a feeling that tech will actually catch on, as opposed to 3D.
  - trome 10y ago
    If you get an OrangePi 2e ($35) or an OrangePi PC2 ($20) both have gigabit that performs well, you could easily push 4k reliably from either. They also have libre VPU support so you can playback 4k content if you plug in an HDMI cable.
- squarefoot 10y ago
  You don't need to stream the data from the OPi, that is the wrong way for watching video because it would transcode the data on a light processor then send it unpacked on the network, which would consume a lot more bandwidth. Once you have the files on the disk attached to the board just set up a NFS and/or SMB server on it and let the clients players mount it as a network drive and suck the data. This way you can for example have all home TV sets playing each one a different movie at the same time.

mysterydip 10y ago

I like OwnCloud as well and use it for all my dev stuff, keeping things synced between desktop and laptop (and my hosted server). The one issue I've had was sometimes if it tried to sync while I was working in my IDE (gamemaker studio), somewhere between saving and compiling it would lose sync and want to redo the whole folder. I tended to pause sync until I finished working. Could have been a bug that was since fixed, but I still do it just in case.

josteink 10y ago

> These shenanigans finally made me delete my Dropbox account, and set up an OwnCloud instance on Digital Ocean. I've found the OC client to be very nice on the platforms I use (Linux, Windows, iOS So an implementation-detail for a feature on a platform you don't use caused you to shift to another product, which doesn't even support the feature you are complaining about? Am I reading you correct? By all means. If you're happy running a FOSS solution on servers you control, more power to you. I'm just confused about your reasoning.

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ogezi 10y ago
> So an implementation-detail for a feature on a platform you don't use caused you to shift to another product, which doesn't even support the feature you are complaining about? Am I reading you correct? I don't think he's talking about only this one issue. Dropbox had an issue with something of this sort recently [0]. They secretly gave their Mac application root privileges. They may have crossed the line for him here. I should say that I'm not speaking for him but I can see how something like this could have been the last straw for someone. I personally think that the way a company treats it customers is a good display of how good it's culture is. It's not a good sign that they did this. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12619722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12619722
- stuaxo 10y ago
  Is this a different issue, or just a different part of the same thing ?
  - ogezi 10y ago
    I hazard the latter since they have had a series of problems except the one here. There was also a time that when you uploaded to Dropbox a file that was already on its servers, instead of storing the new file they stored a reference to the old one (that they already had) as per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2478567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2478567

aao 10y ago

https://nextcloud.com/ https://nextcloud.com/