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Alt view: for at least the last 500 years of Western civilization, women have always had a more comfortable and safer life than an equivalent man living at the

Alt view: for at least the last 500 years of Western civilization, women have always had a more comfortable and safer life than an equivalent man living at the same time and of the same class. Men died in wars, suffered injury and death in jobs, etc. There's money in software development and women want it. Note the lack of "positive discrimination" for jobs like coal mining, or any other profession on the top ten most dangerous jobs..?

OJFord 10y ago
> Note the lack of "positive discrimination" for jobs like coal mining, or any other profession on the top ten most dangerous jobs..? You don't even have to go to the 'top ten most dangerous' - when did you last see a female plumber, electrician, gas technician, builder? I was recently telling someone (female) that I was waiting in for an electrician. I said something like 'so when he comes', then said 'or she, sorry I don't know' - but then I realised actually, you know what I do know, the electrician is going to be a man and not because it's so hard to 'break into', but because women/feminists don't care about doing it. Of course there are similar examples the other way around - male nurses or primary school teachers are examples to a lesser extent. It's not really a problem, but we should at least be honest about what we mean.
DanBC 10y ago
> Note the lack of "positive discrimination" for jobs like coal mining, Come on, that's lazy and dishonest. You can do better than trot out that well worn, dumb, troll point.
- owebmaster 10y ago
  You are the real troll here. What he said is right. Don't you think men in coal mining would also prefer work with software development?
  - DanBC 10y ago
    The troll point is that there are no programmes to get women into mining (or other high risk / low pay industry) - that's untrue, and it's easy to check with a simple web search. It's lazy, and it's so frequently used and debunked that it's indistinguishable from trolling at this point.
    - owebmaster 10y ago
      No, it is not. You pointed a false equivalence. Do for me the web search that points women struggling for the right to work in coal mining, be sent by hundred of thousands to war and things like that. This don't happen (and shouldn't!). We are animals, after all, and the biology demands from us (both woman and man) different things. If men could get pregnant, I could bet with you that this would be a good reason to have women into mining. Thanks god, we can't. It is a harder job than coal mining.
      - DanBC 10y ago
        > Do for me the web search that points women struggling for the right to work in coal mining http://www.womeninmining.org/ http://www.womeninmining.org/ > be sent by hundred of thousands to war Women have campaigned hard to be allowed to go into "front line combat"; they're already sent to war: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11302533/Women-in-front-line-combat-roles-by-2016.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11302533/Wome... http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-women-idUSBRE90M1FI20130124 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-women-idUSBRE... For the rest, do your own searching. These are very easy to find.
        dominotw 10y ago
        >http://www.womeninmining.org/ http://www.womeninmining.org/ thats not a site for women * struggling for the right to work in coal mining*, contrast that to womenwhocode.
        DanBC 10y ago
        https://www.womeninmining.org.uk/ https://www.womeninmining.org.uk/ > WIM (UK) is a non-profit organisation dedicated to promoting and progressing the development of women in the mining and minerals sector. > Created in 2006, WIM (UK) now counts over 1,500 members, from all corners of mining-related businesses and professions.
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OJFord 10y ago

> Note the lack of "positive discrimination" for jobs like coal mining, or any other profession on the top ten most dangerous jobs..? You don't even have to go to the 'top ten most dangerous' - when did you last see a female plumber, electrician, gas technician, builder? I was recently telling someone (female) that I was waiting in for an electrician. I said something like 'so when he comes', then said 'or she, sorry I don't know' - but then I realised actually, you know what I do know, the electrician is going to be a man and not because it's so hard to 'break into', but because women/feminists don't care about doing it. Of course there are similar examples the other way around - male nurses or primary school teachers are examples to a lesser extent. It's not really a problem, but we should at least be honest about what we mean.

DanBC 10y ago

> Note the lack of "positive discrimination" for jobs like coal mining, Come on, that's lazy and dishonest. You can do better than trot out that well worn, dumb, troll point.

owebmaster 10y ago
You are the real troll here. What he said is right. Don't you think men in coal mining would also prefer work with software development?
- DanBC 10y ago
  The troll point is that there are no programmes to get women into mining (or other high risk / low pay industry) - that's untrue, and it's easy to check with a simple web search. It's lazy, and it's so frequently used and debunked that it's indistinguishable from trolling at this point.
  - owebmaster 10y ago
    No, it is not. You pointed a false equivalence. Do for me the web search that points women struggling for the right to work in coal mining, be sent by hundred of thousands to war and things like that. This don't happen (and shouldn't!). We are animals, after all, and the biology demands from us (both woman and man) different things. If men could get pregnant, I could bet with you that this would be a good reason to have women into mining. Thanks god, we can't. It is a harder job than coal mining.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      > Do for me the web search that points women struggling for the right to work in coal mining http://www.womeninmining.org/ http://www.womeninmining.org/ > be sent by hundred of thousands to war Women have campaigned hard to be allowed to go into "front line combat"; they're already sent to war: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11302533/Women-in-front-line-combat-roles-by-2016.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11302533/Wome... http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-women-idUSBRE90M1FI20130124 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-women-idUSBRE... For the rest, do your own searching. These are very easy to find.
      - dominotw 10y ago
        >http://www.womeninmining.org/ http://www.womeninmining.org/ thats not a site for women * struggling for the right to work in coal mining*, contrast that to womenwhocode.
        DanBC 10y ago
        https://www.womeninmining.org.uk/ https://www.womeninmining.org.uk/ > WIM (UK) is a non-profit organisation dedicated to promoting and progressing the development of women in the mining and minerals sector. > Created in 2006, WIM (UK) now counts over 1,500 members, from all corners of mining-related businesses and professions.
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