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Bullshit it's reasonable. First of all it's not only non-citizens that are being constantly stripped of their rights, it's non-citizens and citizens alike. Furt

by devoply 10y ago

Bullshit it's reasonable. First of all it's not only non-citizens that are being constantly stripped of their rights, it's non-citizens and citizens alike. Further, it often goes well beyond reasonable policing to invasive searches into the private lives of individuals including stripping away their rights to human dignity. It may have been reasonable 50 years ago. It's no longer reasonable. And it's a racket. In that they are supposedly protecting the people who they are robbing via taxes, and they are harassing the same people. And it's more or less security theater in that the point is the harassment and the humiliation. Because you are in fear you are supposed to feel protected.

yjftsjthsd-h 10y ago
> It may have been reasonable 50 years ago. It's no longer reasonable. Why would it become less reasonable?
- devoply 10y ago
  50 years ago you would have to be MLK or MX to have a whole dossier on you, someone important, notable, or problematic. Today every citizen has a virtual dossier on them that's a click away. The level of intrusion into private lives is excessive and in many ways illegal according to human rights conventions and the Constitution. Rights routinely infringed: Article 1 Right to Equality Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination Article 3 Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile Article 10 Right to Fair Public Hearing Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence Article 13 Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information Article 26 Right to Education Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights
  - sverige 10y ago
    The U.N. Convention on Human Rights does not have the force of law in the United States. While many of the rights in the list above were first codified in the Constitution, others are not specified as rights in that document. Of course, being natural rights, those not so enumerated are assumed to obtain unless specifically restricted by the Constitution or federal, state, or local law. In the U.S., the place to look for whether this or that right not specifically called out in the Bill of Rights has been restricted is those laws and the court rulings concerning those laws. So, for example, there is no right to education in the U.S., and while the U.S. historically has been the greatest haven for asylum seekers, that does not mean that non-citizens have an affirmative right to enter the U.S. The saddest part of all this is that the dossier on you and me was made possible by people like you and me who work in the tech industry. Google and Facebook have information on most people that the Stasi could only have dreamed of possessing.

by devoply 10y ago

yjftsjthsd-h 10y ago

> It may have been reasonable 50 years ago. It's no longer reasonable. Why would it become less reasonable?

devoply 10y ago
50 years ago you would have to be MLK or MX to have a whole dossier on you, someone important, notable, or problematic. Today every citizen has a virtual dossier on them that's a click away. The level of intrusion into private lives is excessive and in many ways illegal according to human rights conventions and the Constitution. Rights routinely infringed: Article 1 Right to Equality Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination Article 3 Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile Article 10 Right to Fair Public Hearing Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence Article 13 Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information Article 26 Right to Education Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights
- sverige 10y ago
  The U.N. Convention on Human Rights does not have the force of law in the United States. While many of the rights in the list above were first codified in the Constitution, others are not specified as rights in that document. Of course, being natural rights, those not so enumerated are assumed to obtain unless specifically restricted by the Constitution or federal, state, or local law. In the U.S., the place to look for whether this or that right not specifically called out in the Bill of Rights has been restricted is those laws and the court rulings concerning those laws. So, for example, there is no right to education in the U.S., and while the U.S. historically has been the greatest haven for asylum seekers, that does not mean that non-citizens have an affirmative right to enter the U.S. The saddest part of all this is that the dossier on you and me was made possible by people like you and me who work in the tech industry. Google and Facebook have information on most people that the Stasi could only have dreamed of possessing.