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> As more of the world is lifted out of poverty ICE powered transpo will become within reach. I think, if EV prices keep falling like they have been, developin

> As more of the world is lifted out of poverty ICE powered transpo will become within reach. I think, if EV prices keep falling like they have been, developing nations may skip ICE cars and jump straight to EVs (similar to how many nations 'skipped' landline phones and went straight to cellular)

sjwright 10y ago
Entirely, in my estimation, because you can get cheap and/or second hand cellular phones. Whereas you can't make a cheap and/or second hand landline. One thing we know about ICE cars is they can be produced cheaply (think moped, not sedan) and there's an endless supply of used copies.
- mrpopo 10y ago
  Sounds like you are only thinking of the cellular phone handset itself. A single cell network tower costs in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Not sure about the cost of landline installations.
- dTal 10y ago
  You moved the goalposts a wee bit there; a moped is not a car. Electric vehicles of this class are also cheap, much easier to hack/repair than combustion-driven ones, and do not require much power to charge. Petrol-powered mopeds have advantages of their own, of course (durability, horsepower, range), but it's by no means clear cut.
ryanmarsh 10y ago
With significant innovation in power generation and transmission this might be possible. Absent these innovations they will follow the path of least resistance and that will be ICE. Time will tell.
- Retric 10y ago
  As solar and battery prices keep dropping the charge at home infrastructure becomes ever more appealing. Oil on the other hand already has little room to become cheaper.
  - ryanmarsh 10y ago
    The capex on a tin can for gasoline will always beat a solar roof and Power Wall
    - Retric 10y ago
      Not when you can rent the solar panels for zero down. Then it's just monthly cost X vs monthly cost Y. Remember, our solar prices are based on western installation costs, 3rd world pays less for solar but does not get a discount on Oil.
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    - tonyedgecombe 10y ago
      Since when did you get your gasoline in a tin can?
      - ryanmarsh 10y ago
        Ever been to a 3rd world country?
        tonyedgecombe 10y ago
        The point is if your going to start consuming petrol on a large scale you aren't going achieve that delivering it in tin cans, you need infrastructure for that as well.
        exergy 10y ago
        Yes. Born and brought up on India. In only the most extreme case of a car breaking down miles from the pump would you ever get petrol in a can. Otherwise, the vast majority goes to the pump to refill.

sjwright 10y ago

Entirely, in my estimation, because you can get cheap and/or second hand cellular phones. Whereas you can't make a cheap and/or second hand landline. One thing we know about ICE cars is they can be produced cheaply (think moped, not sedan) and there's an endless supply of used copies.

mrpopo 10y ago
Sounds like you are only thinking of the cellular phone handset itself. A single cell network tower costs in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Not sure about the cost of landline installations.
dTal 10y ago
You moved the goalposts a wee bit there; a moped is not a car. Electric vehicles of this class are also cheap, much easier to hack/repair than combustion-driven ones, and do not require much power to charge. Petrol-powered mopeds have advantages of their own, of course (durability, horsepower, range), but it's by no means clear cut.

ryanmarsh 10y ago

With significant innovation in power generation and transmission this might be possible. Absent these innovations they will follow the path of least resistance and that will be ICE. Time will tell.

Retric 10y ago
As solar and battery prices keep dropping the charge at home infrastructure becomes ever more appealing. Oil on the other hand already has little room to become cheaper.
- ryanmarsh 10y ago
  The capex on a tin can for gasoline will always beat a solar roof and Power Wall
  - Retric 10y ago
    Not when you can rent the solar panels for zero down. Then it's just monthly cost X vs monthly cost Y. Remember, our solar prices are based on western installation costs, 3rd world pays less for solar but does not get a discount on Oil.
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  - tonyedgecombe 10y ago
    Since when did you get your gasoline in a tin can?
    - ryanmarsh 10y ago
      Ever been to a 3rd world country?
      - tonyedgecombe 10y ago
        The point is if your going to start consuming petrol on a large scale you aren't going achieve that delivering it in tin cans, you need infrastructure for that as well.
      - exergy 10y ago
        Yes. Born and brought up on India. In only the most extreme case of a car breaking down miles from the pump would you ever get petrol in a can. Otherwise, the vast majority goes to the pump to refill.