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There is no American carnage. That's the problem. We are, on average, the safest and securest we've ever been. Issuing travel bans fails to recognize economic i

There is no American carnage. That's the problem. We are, on average, the safest and securest we've ever been. Issuing travel bans fails to recognize economic interdependence, thereby drawing us into conflict. Putting Iran "on notice" draws us into conflict. Having a president who asked Russia to perform opposition research for him on July 27th, 2016 draws us into conflict. We need to stop.

ryandvm 10y ago
Sure, "on average" our prosperity is at its peak; but the problem is that it's only on average. I moved from the midwest to the coast because of the economic disparity that is causing so much trouble. Have you been to Indiana? Large parts of it have transformed into a meth-addled, jobless, wasteland. There is "carnage" in the formerly agricultural and manufacturing states and that's a large part of what Trump tapped into.
- facetube 10y ago
  I grew up there. It's relatively easy for me to understand why Hillary Clinton didn't get elected, and why there's disappointment in Obama: while we're still incredibly well-off in a global sense, the post-Bush 2009-2010 recovery was uneven at best. Automation and changing technical literacy requirements have shut a portion of America out of jobs. I get it. What's hard for me to understand is why anyone thinks Donald Trump – the guy with no experience and a giant ego who lies all the time – could possibly be an improvement. The meth-addled and jobless need access to health care, extended unemployment insurance, affordable education, access to low-cost housing, and jobs programs. Donald Trump isn't going to deliver improvements in any of these areas. He'll actively make the situation worse, then lie about what he did. It's the only mode he's ever operated in. His next bankruptcy will be ours, and everyone will be worse off as a result.
coding123 10y ago
I can't wait for Russia to compete with our massive small dick complex and build more nukes, I was hoping my recent move to a small town would save me, but at this rate they'll have a nuke for areas populated with just tree frogs.
coldtea 10y ago
>There is no American carnage. That's the problem. We are, on average, the safest and securest we've ever been. Average is different than the median. And there's a ton of wastage of e.g. american soldiers being killed (and especially: killing others) in the middle east and such, with no rhyme or reason as far as the public (and not trillion-dollar military interests) is concerned. >Putting Iran "on notice" draws us into conflict. Don't really disagree. But I fail to see how's that different from the previously administrations that constantly had Iraq, a presence that mostly minds its own matters and regional interests and, if the aggression was dropped, could not care less about the US, on the crosshairs (just for a chance for another multi 100-billion dollar war and resource plundering).
- coldtea 10y ago
  Sorry, meant to write Iran above.
- facetube 10y ago
  One way it's different: Donald Trump has openly discussed a desire to deploy nuclear weapons. He has repeatedly wondered why we make them "if we can't use them", aloud, to the press. The pattern is the same (war-mongering for profit), but there aren't any moral circuit breakers this time around – we elected an amoral serial liar. The potential consequences are now orders of magnitude higher than the Iraq travesty: we're looking at millions dead in Tehran and potentially irreversible changes to the biosphere. Trump infamously asked "what have you got to lose?" to a predominately African American and Hispanic audience [1] while campaigning. The answer: still quite a lot. 1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/22/donald-trump-to-african-american-and-hispanic-voters-what-do-you-have-to-lose/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08...
- facetube 10y ago
  > Average is different than the median. I'd love to see some public works and upper-bracket tax increases aimed at bringing that median closer to the average. I just don't want the incompetence, nuclear saber-rattling, risk, and political instability of a Trump administration. This guy still lies about his inauguration crowd size to this day, and is now whining about Obama and "paid protestors" somehow being behind anti-Trump rallies. He's departed reality, and is wholly unqualified even compared to George W. Bush (the guy who at least anticipated and tried to head off post-9/11 anti-Islam sentiments).

ryandvm 10y ago

Sure, "on average" our prosperity is at its peak; but the problem is that it's only on average. I moved from the midwest to the coast because of the economic disparity that is causing so much trouble. Have you been to Indiana? Large parts of it have transformed into a meth-addled, jobless, wasteland. There is "carnage" in the formerly agricultural and manufacturing states and that's a large part of what Trump tapped into.

facetube 10y ago
I grew up there. It's relatively easy for me to understand why Hillary Clinton didn't get elected, and why there's disappointment in Obama: while we're still incredibly well-off in a global sense, the post-Bush 2009-2010 recovery was uneven at best. Automation and changing technical literacy requirements have shut a portion of America out of jobs. I get it. What's hard for me to understand is why anyone thinks Donald Trump – the guy with no experience and a giant ego who lies all the time – could possibly be an improvement. The meth-addled and jobless need access to health care, extended unemployment insurance, affordable education, access to low-cost housing, and jobs programs. Donald Trump isn't going to deliver improvements in any of these areas. He'll actively make the situation worse, then lie about what he did. It's the only mode he's ever operated in. His next bankruptcy will be ours, and everyone will be worse off as a result.

coding123 10y ago

I can't wait for Russia to compete with our massive small dick complex and build more nukes, I was hoping my recent move to a small town would save me, but at this rate they'll have a nuke for areas populated with just tree frogs.

coldtea 10y ago

>There is no American carnage. That's the problem. We are, on average, the safest and securest we've ever been. Average is different than the median. And there's a ton of wastage of e.g. american soldiers being killed (and especially: killing others) in the middle east and such, with no rhyme or reason as far as the public (and not trillion-dollar military interests) is concerned. >Putting Iran "on notice" draws us into conflict. Don't really disagree. But I fail to see how's that different from the previously administrations that constantly had Iraq, a presence that mostly minds its own matters and regional interests and, if the aggression was dropped, could not care less about the US, on the crosshairs (just for a chance for another multi 100-billion dollar war and resource plundering).

coldtea 10y ago
Sorry, meant to write Iran above.
facetube 10y ago
One way it's different: Donald Trump has openly discussed a desire to deploy nuclear weapons. He has repeatedly wondered why we make them "if we can't use them", aloud, to the press. The pattern is the same (war-mongering for profit), but there aren't any moral circuit breakers this time around – we elected an amoral serial liar. The potential consequences are now orders of magnitude higher than the Iraq travesty: we're looking at millions dead in Tehran and potentially irreversible changes to the biosphere. Trump infamously asked "what have you got to lose?" to a predominately African American and Hispanic audience [1] while campaigning. The answer: still quite a lot. 1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/22/donald-trump-to-african-american-and-hispanic-voters-what-do-you-have-to-lose/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08...
facetube 10y ago
> Average is different than the median. I'd love to see some public works and upper-bracket tax increases aimed at bringing that median closer to the average. I just don't want the incompetence, nuclear saber-rattling, risk, and political instability of a Trump administration. This guy still lies about his inauguration crowd size to this day, and is now whining about Obama and "paid protestors" somehow being behind anti-Trump rallies. He's departed reality, and is wholly unqualified even compared to George W. Bush (the guy who at least anticipated and tried to head off post-9/11 anti-Islam sentiments).