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Embracing the alt-right is not being antisemitic. Particularly given the fact that, as the ADL documents and any casual perusal of Breitbart would reveal, Breit
by yummyfajitas 10y ago
Embracing the alt-right is not being antisemitic. Particularly given the fact that, as the ADL documents and any casual perusal of Breitbart would reveal, Breitbart is mainly anti-Muslim and pro-Jewish. From what I can tell, Bannon's view is that the west should embrace it's Judeo Christian heritage in order to win an upcoming war against Islam. He also seems to feel that Israel and the Jewish people are important allies in this fight.
That's not antisemitism. It's certainly anti-left, but that doesn't make it antisemitic.
Similarly, a protestant's failure to be catholic doesn't make them a satanist.
More or less the same applies to Trump as well. Here's an article that lays this out quite well, though I suspect you'll refuse to engage with it: http://www.socialmatter.net/2017/01/17/aggressive-stupidity-trump-russia-narrative/ http://www.socialmatter.net/2017/01/17/aggressive-stupidity-...
- tptacek 10y agoTake it up with the ADL. This whole story really doesn't belong on HN, and I flagged it, but I couldn't let that misleading comment go without a rebuttal.
- yummyfajitas 10y agoThe ADL doesn't say he's antisemitic and explicitly say he isn't. They merely say he isn't left wing and allow the reader to draw the vague inference that he may be somehow associated with others (second or thirdhand) who are. I can understand why you might have been mislead by this, however.
- tptacek 10y agoNo, they do not.
- macawfish 10y agoReally? Because this story is about the real world implications of technologies that many on HN are personally responsible for. I think it's very appropriate.
- davidf18 10y agoThe point is the ADL issued a statement about Ellison and his fitness of leadership for the DNC. Certainly newsworthy, but the NY Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, The Atlantic and other news organizations declined to report this vital piece of information.
- tptacek 10y agoI don't care about the broader point being made, because it was made in part by deceptively taking something the ADL said out of context. My contribution to this thread is simply the observation that the ADL hasn't exonerated Bannon for antisemitism; they've done practically the opposite thing.
- greeneggs 10y agoNews organizations certainly reported on it. Here's one example: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/jewish-groups-and-unions-grow-uneasy-with-keith-ellison.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/jewish-groups-and-unio... I'm sure there are lots of other examples. I certainly heard of it repeatedly. But I would not call it "vital."
- davidf18 10y agoThanks for the reference. I hadn't seen anything at all until yesterday. Curiously, the article was on page A18 -- way back on in the "A" section. Nor did it mention that he was one of 8 Congressmen to vote against funding for additional missiles for the Iron Dome anti-missle system that protected Israeli civilians from Hamas rockets. There was at least one Op-Ed about Steve Bannon and anti-Semitism but no opinion piece of Op-Ed in the NYTimes or otherwise about Ellison and his views.
- quirkafleeg 10y agoIt's unbelievable that your posts are still black when they're full of such easily debunked false claims. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13738236 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13738236
- statictype 10y agoIt seems like the article seems to be refuting the idea that Trump is somehow enamored with Russia and is willingly working with them. Whereas the general vibe I seem to get is that people believe he's been compromised and co-erced. Also - Found it difficult to continue the article after they tried to draw an analogy between Trump and Modi on account of both being nationalist.