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The point stands - produce specific instances of the Obama campaign doing the same and then we can talk about whether they're morally equivalent. There are som

The point stands - produce specific instances of the Obama campaign doing the same and then we can talk about whether they're morally equivalent. There are some uses of nudge theory - using it to lower college dropout rates, encouraging tax payments - where the ethics are not clear cut and you can make an argument one way or another. 'It happened on House of Cards' isn't going to cut it.

HarryHirsch 10y ago
Don't you wish politicians would be voted into the office based on the strength of their arguments and their track record, instead of the insights of their data science team? That's how democracy is supposed to work; knowing who to pay for their data science expertise isn't a suitable performance metric.
stagbeetle 10y ago
Your bias is showing too much. We're asking for better journalism, not implicating any public figure or party. We would like to know exactly what you're asking: > specific instances of the Obama campaign doing the same
- kristianc 10y ago
  OP talks about malign influence of Big Data and propaganda inside Trump machine. The commenter said 'This has been happening for ages, Obama did it too' I asked for examples of where the Obama campaign had done similar - particularly around the propaganda part. The accusation of 'bad journalism' becomes a lot stronger if you can point to specific things which have been omitted from the account in the OP. What you appear to be asking for is 'balance' - I'm asking of you, what's missing from the account in the OP?
  - stagbeetle 10y ago
    > The commenter said 'This has been happening for ages, Obama did it too' You're the only one mentioning "Obama" in this comment tree. You were quick to assume a defensive position for whatever reason, but his is aimed at both parties in general. > What you appear to be asking for is 'balance' - I'm asking of you, what's missing from the account in the OP? You're assuming again. I do not expect the Guardian to expose its party, but it would be interesting to see both sides laid bare next to each other. That is all.
    - nickpsecurity 10y ago
      "isn't that one side or the other is doing these things; it's what BOTH sides are doing to US." There's a weak implication there that the Democracts are doing something similar to Big Data + troll armies that this article covers. I'd have asked for clarification before jumping straight to "Obama doing same thing" but I see where kristianc is getting the impression.

HarryHirsch 10y ago

Don't you wish politicians would be voted into the office based on the strength of their arguments and their track record, instead of the insights of their data science team? That's how democracy is supposed to work; knowing who to pay for their data science expertise isn't a suitable performance metric.

stagbeetle 10y ago

Your bias is showing too much. We're asking for better journalism, not implicating any public figure or party. We would like to know exactly what you're asking: > specific instances of the Obama campaign doing the same

kristianc 10y ago
OP talks about malign influence of Big Data and propaganda inside Trump machine. The commenter said 'This has been happening for ages, Obama did it too' I asked for examples of where the Obama campaign had done similar - particularly around the propaganda part. The accusation of 'bad journalism' becomes a lot stronger if you can point to specific things which have been omitted from the account in the OP. What you appear to be asking for is 'balance' - I'm asking of you, what's missing from the account in the OP?
- stagbeetle 10y ago
  > The commenter said 'This has been happening for ages, Obama did it too' You're the only one mentioning "Obama" in this comment tree. You were quick to assume a defensive position for whatever reason, but his is aimed at both parties in general. > What you appear to be asking for is 'balance' - I'm asking of you, what's missing from the account in the OP? You're assuming again. I do not expect the Guardian to expose its party, but it would be interesting to see both sides laid bare next to each other. That is all.
  - nickpsecurity 10y ago
    "isn't that one side or the other is doing these things; it's what BOTH sides are doing to US." There's a weak implication there that the Democracts are doing something similar to Big Data + troll armies that this article covers. I'd have asked for clarification before jumping straight to "Obama doing same thing" but I see where kristianc is getting the impression.