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Wow, some of the comments in this thread are pretty harsh considering the developer has worked hard on providing what looks to me like a pretty cool free app. N

Wow, some of the comments in this thread are pretty harsh considering the developer has worked hard on providing what looks to me like a pretty cool free app. Nobody is forcing you to install it.

juandazapata 10y ago
So, people shouldn't be able to comment their point of view because the developer worked hard?
- popey456963 10y ago
  I think people should be slightly less critical of design decisions enforced by a limited amount of time to work on a side-project that's free. Comments such as "why didn't you make everything from scratch" probably aren't going to contribute much to the conversation.
  - rimantas 10y ago
    Well, maybe we should choose our projects based on time we have for them, instead of using a hammer to drive in a screw?
    - Blahah 10y ago
      Or maybe the app works great and nobody cares what technology you wish had been used.
      - rimantas 10y ago
        We have already established this is not the case.
        Blahah 10y ago
        No, we haven't. A bunch of people have used the app (including me) and said nice things about it. Then some other people have spouted vitriol about the fact that it's made with electron. Frankly all we've established is that a lot of people are bitter about electron and don't have the basic manners required to take part in a constructive technology community.
- Veen 10y ago
  A considered statement in measured language about the negative consequences of using electron is one thing. This wasn't that: it's unnecessarily hostile — as if the OP was genuinely inconvenienced or put out by something that doesn't impact them in the least. Disagreeing with someone isn't the same as shitting on their hard work and good-faith effort to create something useful.
popey456963 10y ago
Completely agree. Electron is free, easy to use and doesn't take much effort. Although it isn't the most memory efficient thing in the world, it is great at making really small applications (like this one) which developers can easily make plugins for. Javascript is probably one of the most common languages, with Node.JS the most common server-side variant of it, allowing so very many people to contribute. Also, we live in age where we don't have 100MB systems. At the moment the program is using a whole 30MB, which constitutes about 0.4% of my 8GB system.
- izacus 10y ago
  Choosing Electron kinda by definition means that you as a developer chose the easy way when developing the app and decided to compromise on user experience, performance and disk space to save a bit of time. It's an antithesis of "working hard".
  - randiantech 10y ago
    This app took at least many months of work of the developer, who, by the way, is giving it for free. No need to be harsh or disqualify him. IF you dont like it, move on.
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    - murukesh_s 10y ago
      There is nothing wrong in using Electron. What if Electron folks release a JRE sort of thing - a one time install that can support multiple Electron apps by sharing the underlying Chromium libraries. At that point we can bring down the app size to couple of mbs at max. And we can keep the same codebase without changing a single line of code. Regarding memory usage, it is indeed a memory hog and would require at least 100mb of memory per app. The only way we can see an improvement there is the Chromium guys doing some serious tuning to reduce the memory usage(Leakage perhaps?). Also not sure if we can even share the runtime between processes (Like windows dll), if that is possible, then we can hope to even bring the memory usage down. Instead of forcing developers to learn different programming language and APIs for each operating system, we should as a community think about improving ways to make Electron or something similar even better.
drinchev 10y ago
Hey, come on. I also had criticism in time for open source projects I worked on. It's not about the person who did it, it's about my opinion and why I wouldn't use it. Kudos for everyone doing open source.
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plauncher 10y ago
Don't worry about drinchev, it is very common in Bulgaria to point out flaws whenever someone else is doing something, instead of congratulating how awesome the work is. It is not personal, just cultural.
- drinchev 10y ago
  Speechless here. Bravo!
  - plauncher 10y ago
    I know that most people don't know it, no reason to be speechless. But I've been living there for a good part of my life and observed that behaviour time and again. Someone does something awesome, then comes the first feedback, finds a flaw and makes the whole feedback just about that flaw. That's why the country is miserable and everyone is leaving. People don't enxourage eacht other but crizisize each other all day long. Besides that: Wonderful country and people!
- brudgers 10y ago
  Behaviors contrary to Hacker News's culture are common to many national cultures and most sites on the internet. That does not make them appropriate here.

Wow, some of the comments in this thread are pretty harsh considering the developer has worked hard on providing what looks to me like a pretty cool free app. Nobody is forcing you to install it.

juandazapata 10y ago

So, people shouldn't be able to comment their point of view because the developer worked hard?

popey456963 10y ago
I think people should be slightly less critical of design decisions enforced by a limited amount of time to work on a side-project that's free. Comments such as "why didn't you make everything from scratch" probably aren't going to contribute much to the conversation.
- rimantas 10y ago
  Well, maybe we should choose our projects based on time we have for them, instead of using a hammer to drive in a screw?
  - Blahah 10y ago
    Or maybe the app works great and nobody cares what technology you wish had been used.
    - rimantas 10y ago
      We have already established this is not the case.
      - Blahah 10y ago
        No, we haven't. A bunch of people have used the app (including me) and said nice things about it. Then some other people have spouted vitriol about the fact that it's made with electron. Frankly all we've established is that a lot of people are bitter about electron and don't have the basic manners required to take part in a constructive technology community.
Veen 10y ago
A considered statement in measured language about the negative consequences of using electron is one thing. This wasn't that: it's unnecessarily hostile — as if the OP was genuinely inconvenienced or put out by something that doesn't impact them in the least. Disagreeing with someone isn't the same as shitting on their hard work and good-faith effort to create something useful.

popey456963 10y ago

Completely agree. Electron is free, easy to use and doesn't take much effort. Although it isn't the most memory efficient thing in the world, it is great at making really small applications (like this one) which developers can easily make plugins for. Javascript is probably one of the most common languages, with Node.JS the most common server-side variant of it, allowing so very many people to contribute. Also, we live in age where we don't have 100MB systems. At the moment the program is using a whole 30MB, which constitutes about 0.4% of my 8GB system.

izacus 10y ago
Choosing Electron kinda by definition means that you as a developer chose the easy way when developing the app and decided to compromise on user experience, performance and disk space to save a bit of time. It's an antithesis of "working hard".
- randiantech 10y ago
  This app took at least many months of work of the developer, who, by the way, is giving it for free. No need to be harsh or disqualify him. IF you dont like it, move on.
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  - murukesh_s 10y ago
    There is nothing wrong in using Electron. What if Electron folks release a JRE sort of thing - a one time install that can support multiple Electron apps by sharing the underlying Chromium libraries. At that point we can bring down the app size to couple of mbs at max. And we can keep the same codebase without changing a single line of code. Regarding memory usage, it is indeed a memory hog and would require at least 100mb of memory per app. The only way we can see an improvement there is the Chromium guys doing some serious tuning to reduce the memory usage(Leakage perhaps?). Also not sure if we can even share the runtime between processes (Like windows dll), if that is possible, then we can hope to even bring the memory usage down. Instead of forcing developers to learn different programming language and APIs for each operating system, we should as a community think about improving ways to make Electron or something similar even better.

drinchev 10y ago

Hey, come on. I also had criticism in time for open source projects I worked on. It's not about the person who did it, it's about my opinion and why I wouldn't use it. Kudos for everyone doing open source.

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plauncher 10y ago

Don't worry about drinchev, it is very common in Bulgaria to point out flaws whenever someone else is doing something, instead of congratulating how awesome the work is. It is not personal, just cultural.

drinchev 10y ago
Speechless here. Bravo!
- plauncher 10y ago
  I know that most people don't know it, no reason to be speechless. But I've been living there for a good part of my life and observed that behaviour time and again. Someone does something awesome, then comes the first feedback, finds a flaw and makes the whole feedback just about that flaw. That's why the country is miserable and everyone is leaving. People don't enxourage eacht other but crizisize each other all day long. Besides that: Wonderful country and people!
brudgers 10y ago
Behaviors contrary to Hacker News's culture are common to many national cultures and most sites on the internet. That does not make them appropriate here.