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Is shame especially effective at preventing irrational behavior? Is there anything in your life you would be doing differently if you were a 100% rational agent

by tashi 10y ago

Is shame especially effective at preventing irrational behavior? Is there anything in your life you would be doing differently if you were a 100% rational agent with unlimited willpower? If so, do you ever feel ashamed when you fall short?

anonymous58020 10y ago
Do you think it's simply a coincidence that both divorce and out-of-wedlock births have become so much more common as they've become so much less stigmatized?
- fatbird 10y ago
  Both divorce and out-of-wedlock births (and sexually transmitted infections) are highest, in the U.S., within the southern evangelical communities that most readily practice exactly the sort of shaming and stigmatizing you're talking about.
  - sndean 10y ago
    > Both divorce and out-of-wedlock births (and sexually transmitted infections) are highest, in the U.S., within the southern evangelical communities I was skeptical, but yeah that looks pretty much true for divorce in the Midwest / South (in 2000), at least: https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/original-data/county-level-marriage-divorce-data-2000.html https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/original-data/coun...
    - fatbird 10y ago
      Here's a study that found "Increased religiosity in residents of states in the U.S. strongly predicted a higher teen birth rate.... With data aggregated at the state level, conservative religious beliefs strongly predict U.S. teen birth rates, in a relationship that does not appear to be the result of confounding by income or abortion rates. One possible explanation for this relationship is that teens in more religious communities may be less likely to use contraception." https://reproductive-health-journal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-4755-6-14 https://reproductive-health-journal.biomedcentral.com/articl...
zeroer 10y ago
To your last two questions: Yes and yes.
- tashi 10y ago
  Then your answer to the first question is no? Or am I misunderstanding?
  - zeroer 10y ago
    I didn't answer that question because I'm less certain that I know what I'm talking about. Sure, shame motivates. Maybe fear of shame could even be called a strong motivator? I don't know. Is it "especially" effective? Maybe. Compared to what? I feel like you could answer that with some experiments and better, more precise definitions. I didn't write the foregoing at first because it's a pretty boring answer. To contrast, your last two questions are in essence asking if I could be a better person. That's a no-brained.

by tashi 10y ago

anonymous58020 10y ago

Do you think it's simply a coincidence that both divorce and out-of-wedlock births have become so much more common as they've become so much less stigmatized?

fatbird 10y ago
Both divorce and out-of-wedlock births (and sexually transmitted infections) are highest, in the U.S., within the southern evangelical communities that most readily practice exactly the sort of shaming and stigmatizing you're talking about.
- sndean 10y ago
  > Both divorce and out-of-wedlock births (and sexually transmitted infections) are highest, in the U.S., within the southern evangelical communities I was skeptical, but yeah that looks pretty much true for divorce in the Midwest / South (in 2000), at least: https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/original-data/county-level-marriage-divorce-data-2000.html https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/original-data/coun...
  - fatbird 10y ago
    Here's a study that found "Increased religiosity in residents of states in the U.S. strongly predicted a higher teen birth rate.... With data aggregated at the state level, conservative religious beliefs strongly predict U.S. teen birth rates, in a relationship that does not appear to be the result of confounding by income or abortion rates. One possible explanation for this relationship is that teens in more religious communities may be less likely to use contraception." https://reproductive-health-journal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-4755-6-14 https://reproductive-health-journal.biomedcentral.com/articl...

zeroer 10y ago

To your last two questions: Yes and yes.

tashi 10y ago
Then your answer to the first question is no? Or am I misunderstanding?
- zeroer 10y ago
  I didn't answer that question because I'm less certain that I know what I'm talking about. Sure, shame motivates. Maybe fear of shame could even be called a strong motivator? I don't know. Is it "especially" effective? Maybe. Compared to what? I feel like you could answer that with some experiments and better, more precise definitions. I didn't write the foregoing at first because it's a pretty boring answer. To contrast, your last two questions are in essence asking if I could be a better person. That's a no-brained.