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I don't follow the jump from well-connected neuron to consciousness at all. Why does consciousness have to be based in the physical brain? That doesn't even beg
by codr4life 10y ago
I don't follow the jump from well-connected neuron to consciousness at all. Why does consciousness have to be based in the physical brain? That doesn't even begin to explain collective consciousness, or the fact that observation/awareness affects observed objects.
- andbberger 10y agoObservation (as used in quantum mechanics) has nothing to do with consciousness. Consciousness is not a prerequisite to measure an observable.... That's a total non sequitur...
- codr4life 10y agoWe're just going to have to agree to disagree on that one. The effects of observation is all about consciousness, and has nothing to do with measuring.
- achr2 10y agoYou are incorrect.
- codr4life 10y agoVery constructive, now you can go back to observing and measuring unconsciously :)
- type0 10y agoWell obviously you never dealt with automation in the lab. You don't have to have consciousness to observe or measure but you damn need it to draw meaningful conclusions.
- benchaney 10y agoIf you want constructive responses you need to make non idiotic comments. Humans can't observe without a conscious because humans have a conscious. That is related to the nature of being human and has nothing to do with any thing fundamental to observation.
- codr4life 10y agohttp://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170215-the-strange-link-between-the-human-mind-and-quantum-physics?inf_contact_key=be2e1f01a643df417864f3cef4ab4438ecebec8286589dbd5dca45516c58787b http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170215-the-strange-link-bet... I'm far from the only one who disagrees with you. And I'll just note that calling people idiots is the opposite of constructive.
- roywiggins 10y agoIf it's not physical, it's probably not observable, and science deals with things that can actually be observed. If it is not physical but observable... by what means does it affect actual matter? Neurons have to be coaxed to fire somehow, and if there's a nonphysical spirit poking them then that breaks physics. Resorting to a nonphysical explanation doesn't explain anything or help you predict anything, so scientists aren't interested. Once they've have ruled out all possible physical explanations then maybe they can give up on them, but it's a long way to go.