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I am not quite sure where this requirement for Software Developer to work 8 hours with extra time because they are really motivated and then spend the totality

by gutnor 10y ago

I am not quite sure where this requirement for Software Developer to work 8 hours with extra time because they are really motivated and then spend the totality of their free time on side project is coming from. Does doctor, GP, engineers, scientist, ... expected to do the same ? Because when you jump one level up on the pay scale, there is no expectation of you learning anything whatsoever, at least not outside company time. Similarly, a developer setting a meeting to learn about a technical issue is frown upon, while manager setting up a meeting to learn about a business functionality is perfectly ok. That's how you end up with manager only workshop, but developer should magically figure it out what to do and how, all from the workshop reports.

fphhotchips 10y ago
> a developer setting a meeting to learn about a technical issue is frown upon If you're working in an environment where this is frowned upon, you're in the wrong environment. Get out. Places that know what they're doing will actively encourage learning - particularly cross-team knowledge sharing. Whether it's lunch-and-learns, Friday afternoon sessions or random "jump into a meeting room so I can teach you all about this thing I just learned", it's always important to have learning within work hours - it's the only time you'll get everyone together at once.
tracker1 10y ago
You're probably working in the wrong places... I average about 2hrs a day of "learning" time... a lot of it on here, and reading related articles. Some of it updating software in github/npm. Bits of it exploring the db/codebase thinking of ways to improve things. If you can't get 20% or so of your work time for self/team improvement, then your job is going nowhere. As for doing things on your own time... software development can be an engineering discipline... however, in practice it's more of a craft. Most of the better craftsmen I know, and know of, spend a lot of their own time working on their craft.

by gutnor 10y ago

fphhotchips 10y ago

> a developer setting a meeting to learn about a technical issue is frown upon If you're working in an environment where this is frowned upon, you're in the wrong environment. Get out. Places that know what they're doing will actively encourage learning - particularly cross-team knowledge sharing. Whether it's lunch-and-learns, Friday afternoon sessions or random "jump into a meeting room so I can teach you all about this thing I just learned", it's always important to have learning within work hours - it's the only time you'll get everyone together at once.

tracker1 10y ago

You're probably working in the wrong places... I average about 2hrs a day of "learning" time... a lot of it on here, and reading related articles. Some of it updating software in github/npm. Bits of it exploring the db/codebase thinking of ways to improve things. If you can't get 20% or so of your work time for self/team improvement, then your job is going nowhere. As for doing things on your own time... software development can be an engineering discipline... however, in practice it's more of a craft. Most of the better craftsmen I know, and know of, spend a lot of their own time working on their craft.