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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wallflower https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wallflower Definition 2

by pdq 10y ago

dominotw 10y ago
oh ok. What is wrong with being shy. 'none of them were wallflowers' seems like such an odd thing to say. As a shy person myself, hate this .
- geofft 10y ago
  The definition says that you might refrain from either shyness (your own preference not to participate) or unpopularity (others' preference that you do not participate). I think the latter was more what was meant here. I'm extremely shy in certain situations (for instance, I hate introducing myself to people at parties, bars, etc.), but if I'm in a meeting for a group I'm involved with, I will absolutely say as much as I'm allowed to say.
- TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
  Pike was pointing out that the women present participated as one would expect of any professional in such a meeting. Do you think there are benefits to being shy in such a context?
  - dominotw 10y ago
    >Do you think there are benefits to being shy in such a context? One doesn't decide to be shy after doing cost/benefit analysis of a situation, it's a character trait. In this particular context women have 'confidence gap'[1] so its kind of stange to brush them off as 'wallflowers' 1. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/05/the-confidence-gap/359815/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/05/the-con...
    - TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
      I used to be shy, now I'm not. Something happened. Character traits aren't fixed.
- mattnewton 10y ago
  "Wallflower" has the connotation of being almost decorative, for show. Basically, he's calling out that they were active participants important to the discussion instead of observers or accessories that the discussion could have been had without. It's not so much that they weren't shy, it's that they materially impacted the meeting. I think this was chosen to contrast it to an alternative method of diversity where many women are included but they are not as important. His thesis is not to optimize for "numbers of bodies" equal representation, but equal representation of influence.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wallflower https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wallflower Definition 2

by pdq 10y ago

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wallflower https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wallflower Definition 2

dominotw 10y ago

oh ok. What is wrong with being shy. 'none of them were wallflowers' seems like such an odd thing to say. As a shy person myself, hate this .

geofft 10y ago
The definition says that you might refrain from either shyness (your own preference not to participate) or unpopularity (others' preference that you do not participate). I think the latter was more what was meant here. I'm extremely shy in certain situations (for instance, I hate introducing myself to people at parties, bars, etc.), but if I'm in a meeting for a group I'm involved with, I will absolutely say as much as I'm allowed to say.
TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
Pike was pointing out that the women present participated as one would expect of any professional in such a meeting. Do you think there are benefits to being shy in such a context?
- dominotw 10y ago
  >Do you think there are benefits to being shy in such a context? One doesn't decide to be shy after doing cost/benefit analysis of a situation, it's a character trait. In this particular context women have 'confidence gap'[1] so its kind of stange to brush them off as 'wallflowers' 1. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/05/the-confidence-gap/359815/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/05/the-con...
  - TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
    I used to be shy, now I'm not. Something happened. Character traits aren't fixed.
mattnewton 10y ago
"Wallflower" has the connotation of being almost decorative, for show. Basically, he's calling out that they were active participants important to the discussion instead of observers or accessories that the discussion could have been had without. It's not so much that they weren't shy, it's that they materially impacted the meeting. I think this was chosen to contrast it to an alternative method of diversity where many women are included but they are not as important. His thesis is not to optimize for "numbers of bodies" equal representation, but equal representation of influence.