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> North Korean suspect in custody Yes they've arrested a North Korean, along with a Malaysian, Indonesian and Vietnamese, in an investigation into the murder o

> North Korean suspect in custody Yes they've arrested a North Korean, along with a Malaysian, Indonesian and Vietnamese, in an investigation into the murder of a North Korean. > and Malaysian authorities have named, have CC footage of What is this supposed to prove? On the day the half-brother of the North Korean leader was killed, some North Koreans based in Malaysia were unexpectedly recalled by Pyongyang to report on it and, like everyone else leaving KUL that day, appeared on airport CCTV?

pvg 10y ago
On the day the half-brother of the North Korean leader was killed, some North Koreans based in Malaysia were unexpectedly recalled by Pyongyang to report on it That's not what the reporting says, neither does the Malaysian police. You should read the coverage, a lot of what you've listed as evidence for this being something other than what it appears to be is simply inaccurate.
- quirkafleeg 10y ago
  The point of my post was to show there are completely legit reasons why they may have left that day, whereas it's simply being painted by the media as them fleeing the scene. If you have evidence that proves they were involved and my suggested reason they left is "simply inaccurate" I'd like to see it. News reports are not evidence though.
  - pvg 10y ago
    Wait, you're asking me for evidence? I think it's the other way round - on my side are the stated views of the Malaysian authorities conducting the actual investigation, the fact that China has sanctioned North Korea, basic common sense (there's no such thing as a government-independent North Korean simply living in Kuala Lumpur period, let alone one who is connected to the murder), the use of a poison typically only available to state actors, etc. You have: a bunch of unfounded contrarian speculation. What's your evidence?
    - quirkafleeg 10y ago
      > stated views of the Malaysian authorities conducting the actual investigation The Malaysian authorities have not blamed North Korea, so I'm not sure why you keep implying they have by posting this. > China has sanctioned North Korea If you're talking about the coal imports, that was related to their nuclear program and missile tests, not this murder. > basic common sense (there's no such thing as a government-independent North Korean simply living in Kuala Lumpur period, let alone one who is connected to the murder) In my post I said they could have been recalled due to the murder. Obviously that means they are agents or diplomats. It does not mean they were involved; nor does getting on a plane at a major international airport. In fact basic common sense would tell you that the last place someone involved in a murder is going to be hours after the event is at the scene of the crime. > the use of a poison typically only available to state actors, etc There is no hard evidence that North Korea even possesses VX, let alone is capable of using it in the convoluted "binary" way people are having to suggest to keep this story going. AFAIK the USA and Trump's best buddy Russia are the only state actors that admit they have VX.
      - pvg 10y ago
        "Malaysia’s deputy national police chief, Noor Rashid Ibrahim, said four other North Korean suspects were on the run. The men arrived in Malaysia on different days beginning Jan. 31 and flew out of the country last Monday, when Kim died, Noor Rashid said. “I am not going disclose where they are,” he told a room packed with journalists, adding that Interpol was helping with the investigation. Noor Rashid showed photographs of the four men, who were traveling on regular — not diplomatic — passports and are ages 33, 34, 55 and 57." So they've identified them as suspects because, what? They just like to call random people suspects for no reason? 'Recalled due to murder' doesn't really fit the timeline either. And what's the North Korean that's actually in custody, an innocent bystander? And on, and on. The overwhelming preponderance of circumstantial evidence suggests North Korean involvement. Other alternatives require logical contortions that make no sense at all.
        quirkafleeg 10y ago
        > So they've identified them as suspects because, what? They just like to call random people suspects for no reason? If North Korea is being framed for this, why wouldn't they be pointing the finger at North Koreans? Even if you believe it's impossible that saintly countries like China, Russia or the USA would do such a thing, the police chief's statement was completely unprofessional, since he actually said: "I confirm today the perpetrators, the four suspects are from North Korea" We of course know from the video that the perpetrators are two women from Indonesia and Vietnam, but according to you this guy's comments are the last word on this, case closed? > 'Recalled due to murder' doesn't really fit the timeline either. I don't know what you mean by that. Perhaps you can suggest some reasons, though, why secret agents involved in a complicated high-profile murder like this, that they have apparently been working on for ages, are going to be anywhere near the scene of the crime on the day it happens. > And what's the North Korean that's actually in custody, an innocent bystander? Maybe he is. I wouldn't like to have you on a jury if you seriously believe everyone arrested by police is guilty of something. If he was involved why did he stay in Malaysia when the others left? Your apparent theory - that some of the people responsible left but one of them just decided to hang around for the police to show up - makes no sense. > The overwhelming preponderance of circumstantial evidence suggests North Korean involvement. The hard evidence is that the two women who carried out the attack are from Vietnam and Indonesia. Circumstantial evidence is that one Malaysian was also arrested and one North Korean arrested, in a crime where the victim is also North Korean. More circumstantial evidence away from NK is that the Indonesian woman stated she met with people who looked Japanese or Korean (possibly South Korean), and the Vietnamese woman was taken to visit South Korea (which seems rather strange and risky for a North Korean agent to do, particularly when it has nothing to do with this mission). This on top of the fact that within 24 hours, before the Malaysians had even publicly identified the victim, who was using a passport under a different name, South Korean media had already named him, given a cause of death, and stated who carried out the attack (two women), throwing the mud that they were North Korean agents. And while the Malaysians did not release the CCTV, somehow Japanese media got access to it and broadcast it. It seems funny that South Korea and Japan, two countries notoriously hostile towards North Korea, keep cropping up in this story.

pvg 10y ago

On the day the half-brother of the North Korean leader was killed, some North Koreans based in Malaysia were unexpectedly recalled by Pyongyang to report on it That's not what the reporting says, neither does the Malaysian police. You should read the coverage, a lot of what you've listed as evidence for this being something other than what it appears to be is simply inaccurate.

quirkafleeg 10y ago
The point of my post was to show there are completely legit reasons why they may have left that day, whereas it's simply being painted by the media as them fleeing the scene. If you have evidence that proves they were involved and my suggested reason they left is "simply inaccurate" I'd like to see it. News reports are not evidence though.
- pvg 10y ago
  Wait, you're asking me for evidence? I think it's the other way round - on my side are the stated views of the Malaysian authorities conducting the actual investigation, the fact that China has sanctioned North Korea, basic common sense (there's no such thing as a government-independent North Korean simply living in Kuala Lumpur period, let alone one who is connected to the murder), the use of a poison typically only available to state actors, etc. You have: a bunch of unfounded contrarian speculation. What's your evidence?
  - quirkafleeg 10y ago
    > stated views of the Malaysian authorities conducting the actual investigation The Malaysian authorities have not blamed North Korea, so I'm not sure why you keep implying they have by posting this. > China has sanctioned North Korea If you're talking about the coal imports, that was related to their nuclear program and missile tests, not this murder. > basic common sense (there's no such thing as a government-independent North Korean simply living in Kuala Lumpur period, let alone one who is connected to the murder) In my post I said they could have been recalled due to the murder. Obviously that means they are agents or diplomats. It does not mean they were involved; nor does getting on a plane at a major international airport. In fact basic common sense would tell you that the last place someone involved in a murder is going to be hours after the event is at the scene of the crime. > the use of a poison typically only available to state actors, etc There is no hard evidence that North Korea even possesses VX, let alone is capable of using it in the convoluted "binary" way people are having to suggest to keep this story going. AFAIK the USA and Trump's best buddy Russia are the only state actors that admit they have VX.
    - pvg 10y ago
      "Malaysia’s deputy national police chief, Noor Rashid Ibrahim, said four other North Korean suspects were on the run. The men arrived in Malaysia on different days beginning Jan. 31 and flew out of the country last Monday, when Kim died, Noor Rashid said. “I am not going disclose where they are,” he told a room packed with journalists, adding that Interpol was helping with the investigation. Noor Rashid showed photographs of the four men, who were traveling on regular — not diplomatic — passports and are ages 33, 34, 55 and 57." So they've identified them as suspects because, what? They just like to call random people suspects for no reason? 'Recalled due to murder' doesn't really fit the timeline either. And what's the North Korean that's actually in custody, an innocent bystander? And on, and on. The overwhelming preponderance of circumstantial evidence suggests North Korean involvement. Other alternatives require logical contortions that make no sense at all.
      - quirkafleeg 10y ago
        > So they've identified them as suspects because, what? They just like to call random people suspects for no reason? If North Korea is being framed for this, why wouldn't they be pointing the finger at North Koreans? Even if you believe it's impossible that saintly countries like China, Russia or the USA would do such a thing, the police chief's statement was completely unprofessional, since he actually said: "I confirm today the perpetrators, the four suspects are from North Korea" We of course know from the video that the perpetrators are two women from Indonesia and Vietnam, but according to you this guy's comments are the last word on this, case closed? > 'Recalled due to murder' doesn't really fit the timeline either. I don't know what you mean by that. Perhaps you can suggest some reasons, though, why secret agents involved in a complicated high-profile murder like this, that they have apparently been working on for ages, are going to be anywhere near the scene of the crime on the day it happens. > And what's the North Korean that's actually in custody, an innocent bystander? Maybe he is. I wouldn't like to have you on a jury if you seriously believe everyone arrested by police is guilty of something. If he was involved why did he stay in Malaysia when the others left? Your apparent theory - that some of the people responsible left but one of them just decided to hang around for the police to show up - makes no sense. > The overwhelming preponderance of circumstantial evidence suggests North Korean involvement. The hard evidence is that the two women who carried out the attack are from Vietnam and Indonesia. Circumstantial evidence is that one Malaysian was also arrested and one North Korean arrested, in a crime where the victim is also North Korean. More circumstantial evidence away from NK is that the Indonesian woman stated she met with people who looked Japanese or Korean (possibly South Korean), and the Vietnamese woman was taken to visit South Korea (which seems rather strange and risky for a North Korean agent to do, particularly when it has nothing to do with this mission). This on top of the fact that within 24 hours, before the Malaysians had even publicly identified the victim, who was using a passport under a different name, South Korean media had already named him, given a cause of death, and stated who carried out the attack (two women), throwing the mud that they were North Korean agents. And while the Malaysians did not release the CCTV, somehow Japanese media got access to it and broadcast it. It seems funny that South Korea and Japan, two countries notoriously hostile towards North Korea, keep cropping up in this story.