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How about not? Drugs still have incredibly harmful effects. Some people take trips and never come back off these drugs. Imagine going to work in the morning on

How about not? Drugs still have incredibly harmful effects. Some people take trips and never come back off these drugs. Imagine going to work in the morning on a supposed "micro"dose just to realize you had an overdose and end up in a psych ward for two weeks. You'll also likely lose your job as most tech companies have no drug in the workplace policies... This is just another BS article from someone who knows nothing about how drugs can very dramatically Fuck up a person's life. (How do I know? I've worked with many recovering drug addicts in the past who all wish they had never started in the first place)

xkxx 10y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M
ch4s3 10y ago
> Some people take trips and never come back off these drugs What? Hallucinogens don't cause physical dependency and tolerance builds quickly so psychological habits are hard to form as well.
- donaldguy 10y ago
  HPPD is definitely a real thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep... And there is some evidence that taking psychedelics can precipitate long lasting or even chronic psychosis in those with genetic predispositions I interpreted what they said as a reflection of those facts, though you are correct that risk of dependence is relatively low
  - fsiefken 10y ago
    How do you know HPPD's occur when regularly taking microdoses instead of regal perception changing doses? It hasn't been investigated and I haven't read about it in anecdotal reports
  - ch4s3 10y ago
    Sort of... If you're familiar with the literature you'll find meta-analysis with a lot of phrases like "At present, HPPD appears to be a genuine but uncommon disorder". YEah, its in the DSM, but at best it's vanishingly rare. And according to the DSM past hallucinogen in combination with the symptoms alone is not enough to constitute a diagnosis of HPPD. It's also tangled up with a number of other confounding mental illnesses. And, even still it's believed that a user must possess preexisting risk factors in addition to heavy use to trigger HPPD. What I'm driving at is that microdosing is almost certainly unlikely to cause HPPD in healthy adults.
clccbcfd 10y ago
Imagine not being totally clueless, dosing appropriately, and having a relatively normal (perhaps a bit more open-minded) day at work. Not all drugs are created equal, and almost all of them can be used responsibly. I find the micro dosing trend distasteful, but I hate anti-drug propaganda even more. This is just another BS comment from someone who has never done drugs and looks to force their misinformed values and opinions onto others.
- Thrillington 10y ago
  Drug abuse is a real thing and has extremely negative effects for individuals and those in their lives. That being said, it's a public health issue, not a criminal one. Abuse can also be significantly curbed by open and honest discussion about the benefits and negatives of various drugs. The DARE and scare model is an abject failure.
  - clccbcfd 10y ago
    Absolutely. I have no interest in partisan arguments on the issue, that's all. edit: fwiw imperio59 has a post history repeatedly denigrating LSD, psychology as a valid scientific practice, in addition to advocating for and linking to Drug Free World, a Scientology-backed nonprofit. Not even worth replying to.
    - grzm 10y ago
      Your comment regarding another member would have a lot more weight coming from an account with some history. It's bad form regardless to make comments like this, but you're also using their comment history in doing so, yet denying others from knowing your own.
pmoriarty 10y ago
Mostly out of ignorance many people abuse drugs, use them casually, without any respect for them or much knowledge either of how to use them or their dangers, believe in all sorts of myths about them, and even use them in self-destructive ways. Then they blame their negative experiences on the drugs. It is possible to use psychedelic drugs constructively, in positive settings, and with knowledgeable sitters who can provide support when needed. Studies have shown time and again that such an approach maximizes the chance of very positive, profound experiences that are highly valued by the subjects for many years. That doesn't mean the experiences are risk-free. One could have a negative experience even when one has prepared thoroughly. But even negative experiences can be valuable if one faces them and tries to learn from them. One other thing we should recognize is that people are going to alter their consciousness somehow. It seems to be a fundamental human need. The "just say no" approach does not work for a significant proportion of the population. Wagging fingers at that population and continuing to tell them "just say no" can even be counter-productive, as what is forbidden often becomes more alluring. Much more constructive and helpful is teaching people how to use these substances in a healthy, positive, and non-destructive way.
dTal 10y ago
I'm sorry, but this sounds extremely ill-informed. You completely fail to distinguish between different drugs (which can be anything from caffeine to meth to "approved" medical drugs). Despite high school propaganda, it's not appropriate to lump them all together. Referring to them as "these drugs" is revealing. Nobody "never comes back off" LSD - it isn't even addictive, and tolerance builds rapidly so it soon stops working anyway. It can be dangerous, if taken to extreme excess and/or combined with other factors like sleep deprivation or other drugs - but you'd really have to try, and "ending up in a psych ward for two weeks" is very unlikely. From your perspective, I'm going to guess that the "drug addicts" you worked with were on something altogether more addictive and damaging, perhaps tobacco or alcohol. Don't generalise that experience to "drugs", unless you want to be dismissed as someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

xkxx 10y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M

ch4s3 10y ago

> Some people take trips and never come back off these drugs What? Hallucinogens don't cause physical dependency and tolerance builds quickly so psychological habits are hard to form as well.

donaldguy 10y ago
HPPD is definitely a real thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep... And there is some evidence that taking psychedelics can precipitate long lasting or even chronic psychosis in those with genetic predispositions I interpreted what they said as a reflection of those facts, though you are correct that risk of dependence is relatively low
- fsiefken 10y ago
  How do you know HPPD's occur when regularly taking microdoses instead of regal perception changing doses? It hasn't been investigated and I haven't read about it in anecdotal reports
- ch4s3 10y ago
  Sort of... If you're familiar with the literature you'll find meta-analysis with a lot of phrases like "At present, HPPD appears to be a genuine but uncommon disorder". YEah, its in the DSM, but at best it's vanishingly rare. And according to the DSM past hallucinogen in combination with the symptoms alone is not enough to constitute a diagnosis of HPPD. It's also tangled up with a number of other confounding mental illnesses. And, even still it's believed that a user must possess preexisting risk factors in addition to heavy use to trigger HPPD. What I'm driving at is that microdosing is almost certainly unlikely to cause HPPD in healthy adults.

clccbcfd 10y ago

Imagine not being totally clueless, dosing appropriately, and having a relatively normal (perhaps a bit more open-minded) day at work. Not all drugs are created equal, and almost all of them can be used responsibly. I find the micro dosing trend distasteful, but I hate anti-drug propaganda even more. This is just another BS comment from someone who has never done drugs and looks to force their misinformed values and opinions onto others.

Thrillington 10y ago
Drug abuse is a real thing and has extremely negative effects for individuals and those in their lives. That being said, it's a public health issue, not a criminal one. Abuse can also be significantly curbed by open and honest discussion about the benefits and negatives of various drugs. The DARE and scare model is an abject failure.
- clccbcfd 10y ago
  Absolutely. I have no interest in partisan arguments on the issue, that's all. edit: fwiw imperio59 has a post history repeatedly denigrating LSD, psychology as a valid scientific practice, in addition to advocating for and linking to Drug Free World, a Scientology-backed nonprofit. Not even worth replying to.
  - grzm 10y ago
    Your comment regarding another member would have a lot more weight coming from an account with some history. It's bad form regardless to make comments like this, but you're also using their comment history in doing so, yet denying others from knowing your own.

pmoriarty 10y ago

Mostly out of ignorance many people abuse drugs, use them casually, without any respect for them or much knowledge either of how to use them or their dangers, believe in all sorts of myths about them, and even use them in self-destructive ways. Then they blame their negative experiences on the drugs. It is possible to use psychedelic drugs constructively, in positive settings, and with knowledgeable sitters who can provide support when needed. Studies have shown time and again that such an approach maximizes the chance of very positive, profound experiences that are highly valued by the subjects for many years. That doesn't mean the experiences are risk-free. One could have a negative experience even when one has prepared thoroughly. But even negative experiences can be valuable if one faces them and tries to learn from them. One other thing we should recognize is that people are going to alter their consciousness somehow. It seems to be a fundamental human need. The "just say no" approach does not work for a significant proportion of the population. Wagging fingers at that population and continuing to tell them "just say no" can even be counter-productive, as what is forbidden often becomes more alluring. Much more constructive and helpful is teaching people how to use these substances in a healthy, positive, and non-destructive way.

dTal 10y ago

I'm sorry, but this sounds extremely ill-informed. You completely fail to distinguish between different drugs (which can be anything from caffeine to meth to "approved" medical drugs). Despite high school propaganda, it's not appropriate to lump them all together. Referring to them as "these drugs" is revealing. Nobody "never comes back off" LSD - it isn't even addictive, and tolerance builds rapidly so it soon stops working anyway. It can be dangerous, if taken to extreme excess and/or combined with other factors like sleep deprivation or other drugs - but you'd really have to try, and "ending up in a psych ward for two weeks" is very unlikely. From your perspective, I'm going to guess that the "drug addicts" you worked with were on something altogether more addictive and damaging, perhaps tobacco or alcohol. Don't generalise that experience to "drugs", unless you want to be dismissed as someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.