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Yes. But why do you want that? Why the need to state this at the moment?

by narendraj9 10y ago

Nokinside 10y ago
Life expectancy of 86 year old male is 5.4 years.
- skolsuper 10y ago
  What is it for 86 year old male multi-billionaires?
  - gwern 10y ago
    Probably not as much as you would think. Money can buy you access to cutting-edge medical treatment... but not safe or effective cutting-edge medical treatment. Almost all new treatments don't work or have more drawbacks than benefit, that's why it's called research - and billionaires get access to the results of the big clinical trials at about the same time as everyone else.
    - nabla9 10y ago
      One possible difference is his access to tailored research and treatment. When Finnish geneticist Leena Peltonen-Palotie was diagnosed with rare sarcoma in 2008, her colleagues started big project to save her life. Her cancer became the "worlds most studied cancer" for a short period. They sequenced her genes and used large screening robot to test tens of thousands combinations of different drugs against tissue samples taken from her. They actually fond a cure for the sarcoma she was diagnosed with, but the cancer had already mutated into a form that did not respond to the treatment and she died two years later 2002. I believe this might have been the first ever for this kind of large scale tailored cancer research. Weirdly enough I can't find any mention of this research effort in English speaking magazines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leena_Peltonen-Palotie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leena_Peltonen-Palotie
      - gwern 10y ago
        "They actually fond a cure for the sarcoma she was diagnosed with, but the cancer had already mutated into a form that did not respond to the treatment and she died two years later 2002" One could also cite Steve Jobs. Despite heroic measures, his delay doomed him. (To expand a little bit on this: the Gompertz curve means that even if a 85yo billionaire contracts some cancer and is able to buy a cure no one else can which isn't useless or iatrogenic, he is going to die very soon anyway as the annual mortality risk increases exponentially. This is what is behind those surprising observations like 'curing all cancer would only add a few years to the average life expectancy' - curing cancer just means that you die of dementia, Alzheimers, a heart attack or something else a year or two later.)
        nabla9 10y ago
        Steve Jobs had good prognosis but he delayed the surgery almost a year and relied on 'alternative medicine'. Even with late start he still lived eight years after the diagnosis when doctors used all tricks money can buy. > he is going to die very soon anyway This is true. People close to 90 are one flu and pneumonia away from death.
  - yorwba 10y ago
    tl;dr: ~5.3 years. I collected all Wikipedia articles on American billionaires who died in 2008 - 2017: http://tools.wmflabs.org/dschwenbot/intersection/index.php?linklist=&catlist=American+billionaires%0D%0A2017+deaths%7C2016+deaths%7C2015+deaths%7C2014+deaths%7C2013+deaths%7C2012+deaths%7C2011+deaths%7C2010+deaths%7C2009+deaths%7C2008+deaths&deep=0&do_intersection=Query http://tools.wmflabs.org/dschwenbot/intersection/index.php?l... That got me 74 results. I wgot the articles and manually removed the women based on related Wikipedia categories (turns out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_McClendon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_McClendon was a man, I would have removed him just based on the name). Then I grepped the files for '"[0-9]\{4\} births"' to get the year of birth (this string marks the corresponding category). Two men didn't have a known birthdate, so I threw out their articles, too. This left me with the years of birth for 65 American billionaires. I got their years of death analogously. After that I calculated their ages as the difference (yes, this could be off by +-1 year, but my method is not exactly rigorous anyway). The mean of these values is ~82.6. 29 of them are >= 86. The mean of those is ~91.3, or 5.3 years past 86. Considering the huge error bars, this is well in line with the general population average.
    - argigg 10y ago
      This is going to give you biased results. Consider what would happen if you used the same method to determine the life expectancy of computer programmers.
- logicallee 10y ago
  Of the average 86 year old male, you mean. I think he wouldn't bat an eye on getting the best personal health care on the face of the planet (it's also an important long-term goal for him.) He wouldn't overpay for it, either.
  - Nokinside 10y ago
    Warren Buffet is not health freak. He enjoys life and according to his own words is "one quarter Coca-Cola" >"If I eat 2700 calories a day, a quarter of that is Coca-Cola. I drink at least five 12-ounce servings. I do it everyday." Really funny: >Asked to explain the high-sugar, high-salt diet that has somehow enabled him to remain seemingly healthy, Buffett replies: "I checked the actuarial tables, and the lowest death rate is among six-year-olds. So I decided to eat like a six-year-old." The octogenarian adds, "It's the safest course I can take." http://fortune.com/2015/02/25/warren-buffett-diet-coke/ http://fortune.com/2015/02/25/warren-buffett-diet-coke/
    - logicallee 10y ago
      That is interesting. Goes against what I read, "what do you want to be remembered for? Longevity." which given what you just quoted must have just been a joke.
    - reactor 10y ago
      >"If I eat 2700 calories a day, a quarter of that is Coca-Cola. I drink at least five 12-ounce servings. I do it everyday." What do you expect? ;) "Warren Buffett, who through Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A) (BRK.B) owns about 9.3% of Coca-Cola's (KO) outstanding shares"
    - sumedh 10y ago
      His daughter said that he does not drink water, he just drinks coke. He also eats lots of burgers and steak, I dont understand how his body remains in good health with all that junk food.

Yes. But why do you want that? Why the need to state this at the moment?

Nokinside 10y ago

Life expectancy of 86 year old male is 5.4 years.

skolsuper 10y ago
What is it for 86 year old male multi-billionaires?
- gwern 10y ago
  Probably not as much as you would think. Money can buy you access to cutting-edge medical treatment... but not safe or effective cutting-edge medical treatment. Almost all new treatments don't work or have more drawbacks than benefit, that's why it's called research - and billionaires get access to the results of the big clinical trials at about the same time as everyone else.
  - nabla9 10y ago
    One possible difference is his access to tailored research and treatment. When Finnish geneticist Leena Peltonen-Palotie was diagnosed with rare sarcoma in 2008, her colleagues started big project to save her life. Her cancer became the "worlds most studied cancer" for a short period. They sequenced her genes and used large screening robot to test tens of thousands combinations of different drugs against tissue samples taken from her. They actually fond a cure for the sarcoma she was diagnosed with, but the cancer had already mutated into a form that did not respond to the treatment and she died two years later 2002. I believe this might have been the first ever for this kind of large scale tailored cancer research. Weirdly enough I can't find any mention of this research effort in English speaking magazines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leena_Peltonen-Palotie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leena_Peltonen-Palotie
    - gwern 10y ago
      "They actually fond a cure for the sarcoma she was diagnosed with, but the cancer had already mutated into a form that did not respond to the treatment and she died two years later 2002" One could also cite Steve Jobs. Despite heroic measures, his delay doomed him. (To expand a little bit on this: the Gompertz curve means that even if a 85yo billionaire contracts some cancer and is able to buy a cure no one else can which isn't useless or iatrogenic, he is going to die very soon anyway as the annual mortality risk increases exponentially. This is what is behind those surprising observations like 'curing all cancer would only add a few years to the average life expectancy' - curing cancer just means that you die of dementia, Alzheimers, a heart attack or something else a year or two later.)
      - nabla9 10y ago
        Steve Jobs had good prognosis but he delayed the surgery almost a year and relied on 'alternative medicine'. Even with late start he still lived eight years after the diagnosis when doctors used all tricks money can buy. > he is going to die very soon anyway This is true. People close to 90 are one flu and pneumonia away from death.
- yorwba 10y ago
  tl;dr: ~5.3 years. I collected all Wikipedia articles on American billionaires who died in 2008 - 2017: http://tools.wmflabs.org/dschwenbot/intersection/index.php?linklist=&catlist=American+billionaires%0D%0A2017+deaths%7C2016+deaths%7C2015+deaths%7C2014+deaths%7C2013+deaths%7C2012+deaths%7C2011+deaths%7C2010+deaths%7C2009+deaths%7C2008+deaths&deep=0&do_intersection=Query http://tools.wmflabs.org/dschwenbot/intersection/index.php?l... That got me 74 results. I wgot the articles and manually removed the women based on related Wikipedia categories (turns out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_McClendon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_McClendon was a man, I would have removed him just based on the name). Then I grepped the files for '"[0-9]\{4\} births"' to get the year of birth (this string marks the corresponding category). Two men didn't have a known birthdate, so I threw out their articles, too. This left me with the years of birth for 65 American billionaires. I got their years of death analogously. After that I calculated their ages as the difference (yes, this could be off by +-1 year, but my method is not exactly rigorous anyway). The mean of these values is ~82.6. 29 of them are >= 86. The mean of those is ~91.3, or 5.3 years past 86. Considering the huge error bars, this is well in line with the general population average.
  - argigg 10y ago
    This is going to give you biased results. Consider what would happen if you used the same method to determine the life expectancy of computer programmers.
logicallee 10y ago
Of the average 86 year old male, you mean. I think he wouldn't bat an eye on getting the best personal health care on the face of the planet (it's also an important long-term goal for him.) He wouldn't overpay for it, either.
- Nokinside 10y ago
  Warren Buffet is not health freak. He enjoys life and according to his own words is "one quarter Coca-Cola" >"If I eat 2700 calories a day, a quarter of that is Coca-Cola. I drink at least five 12-ounce servings. I do it everyday." Really funny: >Asked to explain the high-sugar, high-salt diet that has somehow enabled him to remain seemingly healthy, Buffett replies: "I checked the actuarial tables, and the lowest death rate is among six-year-olds. So I decided to eat like a six-year-old." The octogenarian adds, "It's the safest course I can take." http://fortune.com/2015/02/25/warren-buffett-diet-coke/ http://fortune.com/2015/02/25/warren-buffett-diet-coke/
  - logicallee 10y ago
    That is interesting. Goes against what I read, "what do you want to be remembered for? Longevity." which given what you just quoted must have just been a joke.
  - reactor 10y ago
    >"If I eat 2700 calories a day, a quarter of that is Coca-Cola. I drink at least five 12-ounce servings. I do it everyday." What do you expect? ;) "Warren Buffett, who through Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A) (BRK.B) owns about 9.3% of Coca-Cola's (KO) outstanding shares"
  - sumedh 10y ago
    His daughter said that he does not drink water, he just drinks coke. He also eats lots of burgers and steak, I dont understand how his body remains in good health with all that junk food.