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I agree the deeper part of the thread was useless. That's why i stopped participating. However: All i did was try to give him the benefit of the doubt until it

I agree the deeper part of the thread was useless. That's why i stopped participating. However: All i did was try to give him the benefit of the doubt until it was clear he was trolling. If things like this bother you, i recommend actually taking steps that discourage people from arguing in bad faith. It is extremely hard to determine when someone is just ignorant, or when they're taking the piss; but when it's clear the latter should not be acceptable.

dang 10y ago
You've done this kind of thing repeatedly; it's not just about the other person. HN depends on us keeping our comments more civil and substantive as a topic gets contentious or another person's comments get annoying. I say more because we all have a bias not to perceive how we're slipping in such situations (it always feels like someone else started it while "I merely", etc.), so there needs to be a conscious counteraction.
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  I'm sorry for further discussing here, and would prefer to do this in private if you care, but i feel quite frustrated with you seemingly accusing me of having done something i cannot perceive even when trying to look for it, and thus having no clue what should've been done differently here in your opinion. Do you honestly think i was uncivil? Made unsubstantive (non-factual?) comments? If so, where? Because quite frankly on reviewing the conversation i cannot see it. I can see only comments from me that are perfectly polite and factual, except for the last edit in the last post i made, where i stopped being polite.
  - dang 10y ago
    Yes, the problems are incivility and an unwillingness to let an unproductive argument drop. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13724307 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13724307 was uncivil, as you mention. So was https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723815 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723815. I don't mean to pick on you personally, but your username sticks in my mind as someone who's done this kind of thing a fair bit. You're a good commenter otherwise, so I/we'd appreciate it if you'd work on this.

dang 10y ago

You've done this kind of thing repeatedly; it's not just about the other person. HN depends on us keeping our comments more civil and substantive as a topic gets contentious or another person's comments get annoying. I say more because we all have a bias not to perceive how we're slipping in such situations (it always feels like someone else started it while "I merely", etc.), so there needs to be a conscious counteraction.

Mithaldu 10y ago
I'm sorry for further discussing here, and would prefer to do this in private if you care, but i feel quite frustrated with you seemingly accusing me of having done something i cannot perceive even when trying to look for it, and thus having no clue what should've been done differently here in your opinion. Do you honestly think i was uncivil? Made unsubstantive (non-factual?) comments? If so, where? Because quite frankly on reviewing the conversation i cannot see it. I can see only comments from me that are perfectly polite and factual, except for the last edit in the last post i made, where i stopped being polite.
- dang 10y ago
  Yes, the problems are incivility and an unwillingness to let an unproductive argument drop. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13724307 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13724307 was uncivil, as you mention. So was https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723815 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723815. I don't mean to pick on you personally, but your username sticks in my mind as someone who's done this kind of thing a fair bit. You're a good commenter otherwise, so I/we'd appreciate it if you'd work on this.