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> It is a much better form of help if you were to help them fix their own countries. As an immigrant, let me tell you that immigration had a huge positive impa

by zeroxfe 10y ago

> It is a much better form of help if you were to help them fix their own countries. As an immigrant, let me tell you that immigration had a huge positive impact my family's lives. Of course fixing my country would be great... if it were even remotely possible.

hasenj 10y ago
As an immigrant, I've seen many immigrants who have absolutely no interest in the culture or society of the country they immigrated to. Most people just want to get a citizenship because their own country's passport sucks and their country's economy and education and health care sucks.
- ameen 10y ago
  There isn't one monolithic "American culture". For example just because I'm part of the hacker culture doesn't mean I have to sip IPAs. There can and will be cherry picking of aspects they like, what matters is how their outlook changes and the love for this land. They might appear to be outwardly disinterested, but many sort of enjoy the culture in their own ways. Giving up on their citizenship and applying for a new one is no easy decision.
  - hasenj 10y ago
    > Giving up on their citizenship and applying for a new one is no easy decision. The decision is very easy. Obtaining the citizenship, on the other hand, is not easy.
    - hackuser 10y ago
      > The decision is very easy It's very easy to decide to give up citizenship in your native land and move to strange new place? I don't see that as true.
- zeroxfe 10y ago
  > As an immigrant, I've seen many immigrants who have absolutely no interest in the culture or society of the country they immigrated to. Okay, if you say so, but that's not what I was disputing. > Most people just want to get a citizenship because their own country's passport sucks and their country's economy and education and health care sucks. IMO, the economy, the education system, and the health care system are fundamental to society, and if these suck, then moving out and immigrating into a better country sounds like a perfectly reasonable choice to me. Immigrants are trying to secure the best futures for their families.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > I've seen many immigrants who have absolutely no interest in the culture or society of the country they immigrated to The U.S. culture is whatever the people make it. Italian immigrants brought Italalian food; Mexican immigrants brought Mexican food. Regardless, the parent claim is made for all first generation immigrants, historically; you can read it over and over in history books: They keep to themselves, speak their own language, etc. The research I saw (long ago) said the second generation are part of the 'American' culture; the third generation intermarries at a rate of about 80% (based on vague recollection, but the number was of that order). EDIT: It makes sense: I would say almost anyone in their 30s or older or even in their 20s, if they moved to a country with a different culture and language (e.g., U.S. to Russia or Japan), would continue to speak English at home, eat American food, read English books and watch English movies, and hang around other immigrants. Their kids would be Russian/Japanese, however.

by zeroxfe 10y ago

hasenj 10y ago

As an immigrant, I've seen many immigrants who have absolutely no interest in the culture or society of the country they immigrated to. Most people just want to get a citizenship because their own country's passport sucks and their country's economy and education and health care sucks.

ameen 10y ago
There isn't one monolithic "American culture". For example just because I'm part of the hacker culture doesn't mean I have to sip IPAs. There can and will be cherry picking of aspects they like, what matters is how their outlook changes and the love for this land. They might appear to be outwardly disinterested, but many sort of enjoy the culture in their own ways. Giving up on their citizenship and applying for a new one is no easy decision.
- hasenj 10y ago
  > Giving up on their citizenship and applying for a new one is no easy decision. The decision is very easy. Obtaining the citizenship, on the other hand, is not easy.
  - hackuser 10y ago
    > The decision is very easy It's very easy to decide to give up citizenship in your native land and move to strange new place? I don't see that as true.
zeroxfe 10y ago
> As an immigrant, I've seen many immigrants who have absolutely no interest in the culture or society of the country they immigrated to. Okay, if you say so, but that's not what I was disputing. > Most people just want to get a citizenship because their own country's passport sucks and their country's economy and education and health care sucks. IMO, the economy, the education system, and the health care system are fundamental to society, and if these suck, then moving out and immigrating into a better country sounds like a perfectly reasonable choice to me. Immigrants are trying to secure the best futures for their families.
hackuser 10y ago
> I've seen many immigrants who have absolutely no interest in the culture or society of the country they immigrated to The U.S. culture is whatever the people make it. Italian immigrants brought Italalian food; Mexican immigrants brought Mexican food. Regardless, the parent claim is made for all first generation immigrants, historically; you can read it over and over in history books: They keep to themselves, speak their own language, etc. The research I saw (long ago) said the second generation are part of the 'American' culture; the third generation intermarries at a rate of about 80% (based on vague recollection, but the number was of that order). EDIT: It makes sense: I would say almost anyone in their 30s or older or even in their 20s, if they moved to a country with a different culture and language (e.g., U.S. to Russia or Japan), would continue to speak English at home, eat American food, read English books and watch English movies, and hang around other immigrants. Their kids would be Russian/Japanese, however.