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Is there a rule saying they can't? I hope they can; my attitude toward immigration is that those are the people that need help and will benefit the most. From a

Is there a rule saying they can't? I hope they can; my attitude toward immigration is that those are the people that need help and will benefit the most. From a statue in NY harbor: Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name MOTHER OF EXILES. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. . "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

mynameishere 10y ago
Did you know that awful poetry tacked onto unrelated statuary does not dictate public policy? The entire media doesn't know this, so it's no shame if you don't either.
hasenj 10y ago
Bringing people to a foreign land does not really help them that much. It is a much better form of help if you were to help them fix their own countries. Having to adjust to a new culture is not really fun (unless you had an interest in that culture for some reason; but this did not apply to "poor"immigrants).
- zeroxfe 10y ago
  > It is a much better form of help if you were to help them fix their own countries. As an immigrant, let me tell you that immigration had a huge positive impact my family's lives. Of course fixing my country would be great... if it were even remotely possible.
  - hasenj 10y ago
    As an immigrant, I've seen many immigrants who have absolutely no interest in the culture or society of the country they immigrated to. Most people just want to get a citizenship because their own country's passport sucks and their country's economy and education and health care sucks.
    - ameen 10y ago
      There isn't one monolithic "American culture". For example just because I'm part of the hacker culture doesn't mean I have to sip IPAs. There can and will be cherry picking of aspects they like, what matters is how their outlook changes and the love for this land. They might appear to be outwardly disinterested, but many sort of enjoy the culture in their own ways. Giving up on their citizenship and applying for a new one is no easy decision.
      - hasenj 10y ago
        > Giving up on their citizenship and applying for a new one is no easy decision. The decision is very easy. Obtaining the citizenship, on the other hand, is not easy.
        hackuser 10y ago
        > The decision is very easy It's very easy to decide to give up citizenship in your native land and move to strange new place? I don't see that as true.
    - zeroxfe 10y ago
      > As an immigrant, I've seen many immigrants who have absolutely no interest in the culture or society of the country they immigrated to. Okay, if you say so, but that's not what I was disputing. > Most people just want to get a citizenship because their own country's passport sucks and their country's economy and education and health care sucks. IMO, the economy, the education system, and the health care system are fundamental to society, and if these suck, then moving out and immigrating into a better country sounds like a perfectly reasonable choice to me. Immigrants are trying to secure the best futures for their families.
- ameen 10y ago
  It's easier to move to a country who's ideals you identify with than to fix an entire country. Also American culture isn't exactly limited to the American mainland. It's been exported over media, one of the major reasons people immigrate.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > Bringing people to a foreign land does not really help them that much What is this claim based on? It's very hard to believe that Somalis or Syrians, for example, or any of the hungry, tired and poor who emigrate to the U.S. aren't far better off. It helped my ancestors immensely; our family is immeasurably better off than those left behind, who probably are wiped out and almost certainly not up to our standard of living.

mynameishere 10y ago

Did you know that awful poetry tacked onto unrelated statuary does not dictate public policy? The entire media doesn't know this, so it's no shame if you don't either.

hasenj 10y ago

Bringing people to a foreign land does not really help them that much. It is a much better form of help if you were to help them fix their own countries. Having to adjust to a new culture is not really fun (unless you had an interest in that culture for some reason; but this did not apply to "poor"immigrants).

zeroxfe 10y ago
> It is a much better form of help if you were to help them fix their own countries. As an immigrant, let me tell you that immigration had a huge positive impact my family's lives. Of course fixing my country would be great... if it were even remotely possible.
- hasenj 10y ago
  As an immigrant, I've seen many immigrants who have absolutely no interest in the culture or society of the country they immigrated to. Most people just want to get a citizenship because their own country's passport sucks and their country's economy and education and health care sucks.
  - ameen 10y ago
    There isn't one monolithic "American culture". For example just because I'm part of the hacker culture doesn't mean I have to sip IPAs. There can and will be cherry picking of aspects they like, what matters is how their outlook changes and the love for this land. They might appear to be outwardly disinterested, but many sort of enjoy the culture in their own ways. Giving up on their citizenship and applying for a new one is no easy decision.
    - hasenj 10y ago
      > Giving up on their citizenship and applying for a new one is no easy decision. The decision is very easy. Obtaining the citizenship, on the other hand, is not easy.
      - hackuser 10y ago
        > The decision is very easy It's very easy to decide to give up citizenship in your native land and move to strange new place? I don't see that as true.
  - zeroxfe 10y ago
    > As an immigrant, I've seen many immigrants who have absolutely no interest in the culture or society of the country they immigrated to. Okay, if you say so, but that's not what I was disputing. > Most people just want to get a citizenship because their own country's passport sucks and their country's economy and education and health care sucks. IMO, the economy, the education system, and the health care system are fundamental to society, and if these suck, then moving out and immigrating into a better country sounds like a perfectly reasonable choice to me. Immigrants are trying to secure the best futures for their families.
ameen 10y ago
It's easier to move to a country who's ideals you identify with than to fix an entire country. Also American culture isn't exactly limited to the American mainland. It's been exported over media, one of the major reasons people immigrate.
hackuser 10y ago
> Bringing people to a foreign land does not really help them that much What is this claim based on? It's very hard to believe that Somalis or Syrians, for example, or any of the hungry, tired and poor who emigrate to the U.S. aren't far better off. It helped my ancestors immensely; our family is immeasurably better off than those left behind, who probably are wiped out and almost certainly not up to our standard of living.