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Ya, well the press's treatment of Trump has been a bit one sided. And well out of proportion to his actual comments and deeds. You might not like Trump, and yo

by mythrwy 10y ago

Ya, well the press's treatment of Trump has been a bit one sided. And well out of proportion to his actual comments and deeds. You might not like Trump, and you might have good reasons but the above is true all the same. And, he is sitting president of the USA right now, irrespective of how you feel about him, his platforms and his supporters. The amount of vitriol involving Trump is ridiculous. It really is. I'm not saying Trump has good manners (because he doesn't) but the press hasn't been many steps behind in utter nastiness. And they have, in most cases, stopped even pretending to be objective. It's gotten where I can't even watch or read the news anymore. It's just irrational nastiness from one side or the other with zero nuance. I don't know where this all ends if we stay on the trajectory. Gang warfare and cutting off heads maybe. Seems the veneer of civilization indeed might be pretty thin. Maybe we might have to relearn the hard way about the things we take for granted in the social order.

runesoerensen 10y ago
> It's just irrational nastiness Can you point out any significant press coverage of Trump's nastiness that qualifies as "irrational"? If the press reports on Trump's nastiness, does that make the press nasty?
- mythrwy 10y ago
  "Can you point out any significant press coverage of Trump's nastiness that qualifies as "irrational"?" Sure but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader.
  - runesoerensen 10y ago
    Seems like substantiating your allegation would increase the likelihood of being taken seriously -- or proven wrong, of course, which is what I'll assume you are as long as you are unwilling to prove it. "As appealing as it might be for some people to believe your comment it doesn't pass the basic sniff test." - mythrwy, 13 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13620408 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13620408
    - mythrwy 10y ago
      Thanks for going back through my old comments. I love it when people take me seriously enough to investigate. You aren't going to be able to "prove me wrong" because what we are talking about here is largely a matter of nuance and opinion. Or manifest and obvious fact if you'd rather see it like that. I know what facts I see. Feel free to register your disagreement.
      - res0nat0r 10y ago
        Look everyone understands Trump hates newspapers that call him out on his lies which is why he banned them, it is pretty straightforward. Hence that whole Flynn thing. Or did Trump fire a guy over a fake story?
  - vikasg 10y ago
    > Sure but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader. You seem to think you're a professor we're all dying to listen to. Make a point or get the fuck out.
    - grzm 10y ago
      Make a point or get the fuck out. No matter what the behavior of other users it's never okay on HN to be uncivil.
      - vikasg 10y ago
        The use of the word 'fuck' doesn't mean it's uncivil. I'm merely making a point as forcefully as the subject demands.
        grzm 10y ago
        Suggesting someone should leave a forum because you don't have the patience to read what they are writing is uncivil. Just don't read it and move on.
        mythrwy 10y ago
        My point is in the original post but you are making it so much better than I ever could.
        donwan 10y ago
        You haven't made point one. Give it a fucking rest.
        dang 10y ago
        We've banned this account for breaking the HN guidelines. Would you please stop creating accounts to do this with? Everybody's political feelings are inflamed these days, so we all need to work together to prevent this site from going down in flames.
mythrwy 10y ago
I'm not complaining about downvotes because I don't care but the downvotes on this post are pretty clear evidence of exactly what I'm talking about. Nastiness and lack of good manners isn't my preferred response to lack of good manners. Because if it keeps escalating it winds up in a very bad place. There was a time people were close enough to a natural state they knew this. They bowed. They chose their words carefully and respectfully. They treated others, even strangers, by custom with a measure of consideration. And there likely were good evolutionary reasons for this which we have apparently forgotten. Now we figure with a credit card and a laptop we can do whatever and civilization will protect us. But this is just an artificial (albeit important) construct.
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a3n 10y ago
If you don't want ludicrous news reports, don't do ludicrous things. The press is going to report what happens and what's said, colored by each outlet's direction and strength of bias. But if there's something to report, it's going to be reported. Similar for leaks, which are always going to happen. You can't stop leaks, but you can prevent bad things from leaking by not doing bad things.
b_t_s 10y ago
One sided. The side of truth and sanity. The man tells a steady stream of blatant lies. He doesn't even care if they're readily objectively disprovable. The media should have been shredding him like this for over a year now. That's literally their job. I have major, major differences with every one of his opponents in the primaries, but they're all reasonably sane and professional and I wouldn't be complaining terribly if any of them won(even the equally inexperienced Carson). Only Trump is a pathological liar with a total disregard for the institutions that have kept our country safe, prosperous, and democratic for two centuries. We're not overreacting. I have literally had an acquaintance who is a huge Trump supporter and annoyed at the protests tell me that maybe Trump should have the military run the country and then things would be a lot better. Normally I would have been shocked by that statement, but that seems to be pretty much par for the course in Trumpland.
- mythrwy 10y ago
  "The side of truth and sanity". Absolutism without the admission of nuance historically leads down a dark road with a pit at the end. I understand you think Trump is wrong and liar. But that doesn't excuse the behavior of the press in this regard. They do themselves no favors and neither do those who aren't "overreacting" while spewing vitriol.
donwan 10y ago
The irony (I will refrain from using a more accurate word) of someone mentioning "civilization" while winking at the behavior of a draft-dodging, adultering, tax cheating, sexual-assaulting, business-failing, anonymous-sourcing-himself, racist xenophobic birther who lies every time he opens his mouth is really astounding. Congratulations. Tell us more about your unique ideas of "civilization". Imagining the kind of rationalization and intellectual gymnastics that is needed to make a post like yours on "civililization" boggles the mind. Unless you'd like to explain further, one imagines that we will indeed just have to consider that an "exercise for the reader", right?

by mythrwy 10y ago

runesoerensen 10y ago

> It's just irrational nastiness Can you point out any significant press coverage of Trump's nastiness that qualifies as "irrational"? If the press reports on Trump's nastiness, does that make the press nasty?

mythrwy 10y ago
"Can you point out any significant press coverage of Trump's nastiness that qualifies as "irrational"?" Sure but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader.
- runesoerensen 10y ago
  Seems like substantiating your allegation would increase the likelihood of being taken seriously -- or proven wrong, of course, which is what I'll assume you are as long as you are unwilling to prove it. "As appealing as it might be for some people to believe your comment it doesn't pass the basic sniff test." - mythrwy, 13 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13620408 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13620408
  - mythrwy 10y ago
    Thanks for going back through my old comments. I love it when people take me seriously enough to investigate. You aren't going to be able to "prove me wrong" because what we are talking about here is largely a matter of nuance and opinion. Or manifest and obvious fact if you'd rather see it like that. I know what facts I see. Feel free to register your disagreement.
    - res0nat0r 10y ago
      Look everyone understands Trump hates newspapers that call him out on his lies which is why he banned them, it is pretty straightforward. Hence that whole Flynn thing. Or did Trump fire a guy over a fake story?
- vikasg 10y ago
  > Sure but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader. You seem to think you're a professor we're all dying to listen to. Make a point or get the fuck out.
  - grzm 10y ago
    Make a point or get the fuck out. No matter what the behavior of other users it's never okay on HN to be uncivil.
    - vikasg 10y ago
      The use of the word 'fuck' doesn't mean it's uncivil. I'm merely making a point as forcefully as the subject demands.
      - grzm 10y ago
        Suggesting someone should leave a forum because you don't have the patience to read what they are writing is uncivil. Just don't read it and move on.
      - mythrwy 10y ago
        My point is in the original post but you are making it so much better than I ever could.
        donwan 10y ago
        You haven't made point one. Give it a fucking rest.
        dang 10y ago
        We've banned this account for breaking the HN guidelines. Would you please stop creating accounts to do this with? Everybody's political feelings are inflamed these days, so we all need to work together to prevent this site from going down in flames.

mythrwy 10y ago

I'm not complaining about downvotes because I don't care but the downvotes on this post are pretty clear evidence of exactly what I'm talking about. Nastiness and lack of good manners isn't my preferred response to lack of good manners. Because if it keeps escalating it winds up in a very bad place. There was a time people were close enough to a natural state they knew this. They bowed. They chose their words carefully and respectfully. They treated others, even strangers, by custom with a measure of consideration. And there likely were good evolutionary reasons for this which we have apparently forgotten. Now we figure with a credit card and a laptop we can do whatever and civilization will protect us. But this is just an artificial (albeit important) construct.

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a3n 10y ago

If you don't want ludicrous news reports, don't do ludicrous things. The press is going to report what happens and what's said, colored by each outlet's direction and strength of bias. But if there's something to report, it's going to be reported. Similar for leaks, which are always going to happen. You can't stop leaks, but you can prevent bad things from leaking by not doing bad things.

b_t_s 10y ago

One sided. The side of truth and sanity. The man tells a steady stream of blatant lies. He doesn't even care if they're readily objectively disprovable. The media should have been shredding him like this for over a year now. That's literally their job. I have major, major differences with every one of his opponents in the primaries, but they're all reasonably sane and professional and I wouldn't be complaining terribly if any of them won(even the equally inexperienced Carson). Only Trump is a pathological liar with a total disregard for the institutions that have kept our country safe, prosperous, and democratic for two centuries. We're not overreacting. I have literally had an acquaintance who is a huge Trump supporter and annoyed at the protests tell me that maybe Trump should have the military run the country and then things would be a lot better. Normally I would have been shocked by that statement, but that seems to be pretty much par for the course in Trumpland.

mythrwy 10y ago
"The side of truth and sanity". Absolutism without the admission of nuance historically leads down a dark road with a pit at the end. I understand you think Trump is wrong and liar. But that doesn't excuse the behavior of the press in this regard. They do themselves no favors and neither do those who aren't "overreacting" while spewing vitriol.

donwan 10y ago

The irony (I will refrain from using a more accurate word) of someone mentioning "civilization" while winking at the behavior of a draft-dodging, adultering, tax cheating, sexual-assaulting, business-failing, anonymous-sourcing-himself, racist xenophobic birther who lies every time he opens his mouth is really astounding. Congratulations. Tell us more about your unique ideas of "civilization". Imagining the kind of rationalization and intellectual gymnastics that is needed to make a post like yours on "civililization" boggles the mind. Unless you'd like to explain further, one imagines that we will indeed just have to consider that an "exercise for the reader", right?