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>these kinds of behavior have been extensively documented inside and outside this industry for nearly a hundred years now Holy crap computers have been around

>these kinds of behavior have been extensively documented inside and outside this industry for nearly a hundred years now Holy crap computers have been around for 100 years? > (generally white, straight men) Citation needed. Also, think about this. What other sort of adjective used to describe people or sexual orientation would be acceptable to describe people fitting a bad image? If you said the same thing about hispanic bisexual women, would that be socially acceptable?

BugsJustFindMe 10y ago
> Holy crap computers have been around for 100 years? I'm guessing you weren't able to read the "and outside" part of the sentence you glibly quoted. If anything, claiming that it's less than 100 years is the major failure of that statement. > If you said the same thing about hispanic bisexual women, would that be socially acceptable? Can you name an environment where hispanic bisexual women are extremely privileged?
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  > I'm guessing you weren't able to read the "and outside" I guess then it's just a rhetorical flourish for no added benefit? 100 years ago there was no inside or outside of the industry - what's the point of that statement?
grb423 10y ago
when Hispanic bisexual women take over this world and start abusing their privilege like the cishetero patriarchy then we will criticize them. Until then, please sit down.
geofft 10y ago
> If you said the same thing about hispanic bisexual women, would that be socially acceptable? Your PC censorship won't work on this forum. It doesn't matter if it's "socially acceptable" as long as it's true. It's true that it's white, straight men that are generally privileged and ignorant here, and (speaking as a non-white straight man) it's relevant, because the way you're ignorant about things is not having to care about them. I'm much more aware of how my race affects how I interact with the world than about how my gender does.
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  > because the way you're ignorant about things is not having to care about them. Bear in mind this discussion is all about people leaping to action on the unsubstantiated claims of one person on their personal blog. Exactly. As a non-white person, you don't have to care about calling other groups racist, privileged or ignorant. And if somebody is a woman, you don't have to care about calling other people sexist. And censorship is a strong word. If you want free speech and no censorship, all opinions should be welcomed, and you should not be able to shut down arguments by using identity politics and privilege. For instance, if you were a male, would your unsubstantiated blog post have had similar impact? That is privilege in a nutshell, that who you are determines how much attention and belief you get.

BugsJustFindMe 10y ago

> Holy crap computers have been around for 100 years? I'm guessing you weren't able to read the "and outside" part of the sentence you glibly quoted. If anything, claiming that it's less than 100 years is the major failure of that statement. > If you said the same thing about hispanic bisexual women, would that be socially acceptable? Can you name an environment where hispanic bisexual women are extremely privileged?

jimmywanger 10y ago
> I'm guessing you weren't able to read the "and outside" I guess then it's just a rhetorical flourish for no added benefit? 100 years ago there was no inside or outside of the industry - what's the point of that statement?

grb423 10y ago

when Hispanic bisexual women take over this world and start abusing their privilege like the cishetero patriarchy then we will criticize them. Until then, please sit down.

geofft 10y ago

> If you said the same thing about hispanic bisexual women, would that be socially acceptable? Your PC censorship won't work on this forum. It doesn't matter if it's "socially acceptable" as long as it's true. It's true that it's white, straight men that are generally privileged and ignorant here, and (speaking as a non-white straight man) it's relevant, because the way you're ignorant about things is not having to care about them. I'm much more aware of how my race affects how I interact with the world than about how my gender does.

jimmywanger 10y ago
> because the way you're ignorant about things is not having to care about them. Bear in mind this discussion is all about people leaping to action on the unsubstantiated claims of one person on their personal blog. Exactly. As a non-white person, you don't have to care about calling other groups racist, privileged or ignorant. And if somebody is a woman, you don't have to care about calling other people sexist. And censorship is a strong word. If you want free speech and no censorship, all opinions should be welcomed, and you should not be able to shut down arguments by using identity politics and privilege. For instance, if you were a male, would your unsubstantiated blog post have had similar impact? That is privilege in a nutshell, that who you are determines how much attention and belief you get.