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Yes, actually. As soon as you recognize that the DOM API is rich and fast and you understand how MVC works, you actually get much cleaner code by not mixing HTM

Yes, actually. As soon as you recognize that the DOM API is rich and fast and you understand how MVC works, you actually get much cleaner code by not mixing HTML and JavaScript. My original explorations of doing this are at https://github.com/madhadron/mvc_for_the_web https://github.com/madhadron/mvc_for_the_web. When you understand this, React's shadow DOM and JSX are completely unnecessary. Combine it with the fact that grid layout is expected to be in the stable releases of Chrome and Firefox in the next month, and, if you have no legacy browser requirements as I happen not to, web application development becomes somewhat reasonable for the first time since I began doing it in the '90's. Admittedly, when I started trying to build a library out of this (https://github.com/madhadron/allorryll https://github.com/madhadron/allorryll), I put it in TypeScript, but I'm also the guy who did serial port and Firewire camera control in Haskell. Obviously this doesn't apply to writing documents on the web, where JavaScript should only be added as part of a structure that will gracefully degrade.

ojr 10y ago
I am able to bring the React patterns on the web and use the same patterns and code to make native iOS and android apps. Until there is a solution that can work cross-platform like this, I don't feel React and JSX is unnecessary
olavgg 10y ago
Nice to hear! I also use a MVC framework (Grails) with plain old Javascript for DOM manipulations. I have no need for complex bloated frameworks like Angular and React. I do more complex UI with canvas too(where zooming and panning is required). I agree that web development has never been more fun that it is today, except for Safari with buggy flex implementation and iOS that set position: fixed to absolute and refuse to properly scale the "document" when you want to type some text. Every time I get a bug report these days it is Safari or iOS that doesnt follow the standard. Chrome, Firefox, Edge works great most of the time.

ojr 10y ago

I am able to bring the React patterns on the web and use the same patterns and code to make native iOS and android apps. Until there is a solution that can work cross-platform like this, I don't feel React and JSX is unnecessary

olavgg 10y ago

Nice to hear! I also use a MVC framework (Grails) with plain old Javascript for DOM manipulations. I have no need for complex bloated frameworks like Angular and React. I do more complex UI with canvas too(where zooming and panning is required). I agree that web development has never been more fun that it is today, except for Safari with buggy flex implementation and iOS that set position: fixed to absolute and refuse to properly scale the "document" when you want to type some text. Every time I get a bug report these days it is Safari or iOS that doesnt follow the standard. Chrome, Firefox, Edge works great most of the time.