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I'm not sure the credential holds any value anymore. Maybe at one time there was the hope that it would represent something, but employers have data now (see: G

I'm not sure the credential holds any value anymore. Maybe at one time there was the hope that it would represent something, but employers have data now (see: Google, EY, etc.) and it shows over and over that it is not an effective filtering mechanism. The exception is the professions where the law requires it. Employers don't have a lot of choice in those cases. But those jobs specifically have that in place to reduce the numbers to artificially increase incomes. They explicitly don't want more people.

Turing_Machine 10y ago
That is strongly dependent on the field you're in. You're probably not going to get a job in a Wall Street investment bank with a degree from Directional State University, much less with no degree at all.
- randomdata 10y ago
  > You're probably not going to get a job in a Wall Street investment bank with a degree from Directional State University, much less with no degree at all. If true, that tells us that they already have more people then they could ever hope to choose from. After all, they'd be desperate enough to look outside that box otherwise. So what is credentialing another person really going to add?
  - Turing_Machine 10y ago
    "If true, that tells us that they already have more people then they could ever hope to choose from. After all, they'd be desperate enough to look outside that box otherwise." You are assuming that these decisions are based on rational criteria. They aren't.
    - randomdata 10y ago
      Where did I make that assumption? Limiting selection to within degree holders very well may be irrational, but that's not what we are talking about. We're talking about the ability to fill the jobs that need to be filled. Since, as you claim, they have no need to look beyond those with degrees, then we know fundamentally that they already have every single person they need. That's basic arithmetic. Again, what does adding another person with a degree bring?
      - Turing_Machine 10y ago
        "Where did I make that assumption?" When you claimed that "looking outside the box" was an option. It isn't. A degree from Directional State University might be intellectually equivalent to one from Harvard, but socially it's not even close to being the same thing. You are arguing from the standpoint of humans as homo economicus, in which companies will hire the cheapest workers regardless of outside factors. That may be mostly true for a sweatshop factory, but it is a long, long way from being true for investment banks.

Turing_Machine 10y ago

That is strongly dependent on the field you're in. You're probably not going to get a job in a Wall Street investment bank with a degree from Directional State University, much less with no degree at all.

randomdata 10y ago
> You're probably not going to get a job in a Wall Street investment bank with a degree from Directional State University, much less with no degree at all. If true, that tells us that they already have more people then they could ever hope to choose from. After all, they'd be desperate enough to look outside that box otherwise. So what is credentialing another person really going to add?
- Turing_Machine 10y ago
  "If true, that tells us that they already have more people then they could ever hope to choose from. After all, they'd be desperate enough to look outside that box otherwise." You are assuming that these decisions are based on rational criteria. They aren't.
  - randomdata 10y ago
    Where did I make that assumption? Limiting selection to within degree holders very well may be irrational, but that's not what we are talking about. We're talking about the ability to fill the jobs that need to be filled. Since, as you claim, they have no need to look beyond those with degrees, then we know fundamentally that they already have every single person they need. That's basic arithmetic. Again, what does adding another person with a degree bring?
    - Turing_Machine 10y ago
      "Where did I make that assumption?" When you claimed that "looking outside the box" was an option. It isn't. A degree from Directional State University might be intellectually equivalent to one from Harvard, but socially it's not even close to being the same thing. You are arguing from the standpoint of humans as homo economicus, in which companies will hire the cheapest workers regardless of outside factors. That may be mostly true for a sweatshop factory, but it is a long, long way from being true for investment banks.