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Basic physics. Guns make it easier to achieve death of others. All other things being equal, less guns = less deaths, more guns = more deaths. Kansas makes it w

Basic physics. Guns make it easier to achieve death of others. All other things being equal, less guns = less deaths, more guns = more deaths. Kansas makes it worse by not even pretending to restrict guns to anyone of any mental disposition.

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
It might make it easier, but that isn't evidence to suggest it makes people more likely to do it. A sufficiently motivated person could kill someone with any number of means. You still haven't tied more guns to more terrorist attacks.
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  That's not the argument i'm making, and i feel i stated it perfectly clearly in the earlier post.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
    You're suggesting that Kansas is at fault for not taking measures to prevent terrorist attacks. When asked to elaborate, you said that their gun laws are to blame. I asked you to correlate increased gun ownership to increased terrorist attacks. You can't, and your argument is bollocks.
    - Mithaldu 10y ago
      That is not the argument I made and you continuing to attribute that to me is bad faith. Please review: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723962 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723962 vvv E: holy shit, your willingness to be absurd about this is mind-boggling, especially when you ask for source for a thing i already linked. further engagement with you is a waste of everyone else's time. and yes, at this point i mean to be unkind to you, since you're just trolling, not expressing fear in response to a murder vvv
      - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
        Okay. >Gun possession increases the frequency of deaths due to terrorist attacks Please provide evidence to support this conclusion. >Basic physics. Physics doesn't say that owning a gun will make you point it at another person and pull the trigger. >Guns make it easier to achieve death of others. Agreed. >All other things being equal, less guns = less deaths, more guns = more deaths. This doesn't follow. Please provide a source. Less apples = more starvation? >Kansas makes it worse by not even pretending to restrict guns to anyone of any mental disposition. Does this lead to more deaths due to terrorist attacks (guns or no)? Source? Edit: >holy shit, your willingness to be absurd about this is mind-boggling Isn't it mean to call someone absurd? ;) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723665
X86BSD 10y ago
As I've said earlier in this story thread, you CANT restrict a RIGHT. If you can it's not a right it is a privelage. The courts are quite clear we have a constitutional right not privelage to keep and bear arms. Perhaps the state of Kansas and Missouri as well, was simply recognizing that trying to control this right would be ultimately shot down in the courts and a waste of time and energy to futilely do so. The Boston bombers used explosives not guns, Timothy Mcvey used a truck load of explosives not guns made from fertilizer and fuel oil. The scale of death from that far FAR out numbered any mass shooting to date. The guy in France that just drove a truck and ran over people didn't use a gun. It's nonsense to focus on guns. Mental illness is what you should focus on. But you and others don't because it's not as easy to define or pin down as a black piece of metal. Shame because that is the real issue in these tragedies. Mental state.
- grzm 10y ago
  you CANT restrict a RIGHT. If you can it's not a right it is a privelage. Setting aside the discussion at hand, will you unpack what you mean by this? Both the 1st and 2nd amendments are considered rights, yet do have constitutionally-upheld restrictions in the US. Please note I'm not arguing one way or the other whether your statement or these restrictions are correct or not. I'm just trying to understand fully what you mean by this statement. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act Do you mean can in the sense of constitutionally pass a law restricting them? Do you consider these restrictions, or something else? In your opinion should the restrictions above be lifted? Something else entirely?

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago

It might make it easier, but that isn't evidence to suggest it makes people more likely to do it. A sufficiently motivated person could kill someone with any number of means. You still haven't tied more guns to more terrorist attacks.

Mithaldu 10y ago
That's not the argument i'm making, and i feel i stated it perfectly clearly in the earlier post.
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  You're suggesting that Kansas is at fault for not taking measures to prevent terrorist attacks. When asked to elaborate, you said that their gun laws are to blame. I asked you to correlate increased gun ownership to increased terrorist attacks. You can't, and your argument is bollocks.
  - Mithaldu 10y ago
    That is not the argument I made and you continuing to attribute that to me is bad faith. Please review: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723962 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723962 vvv E: holy shit, your willingness to be absurd about this is mind-boggling, especially when you ask for source for a thing i already linked. further engagement with you is a waste of everyone else's time. and yes, at this point i mean to be unkind to you, since you're just trolling, not expressing fear in response to a murder vvv
    - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
      Okay. >Gun possession increases the frequency of deaths due to terrorist attacks Please provide evidence to support this conclusion. >Basic physics. Physics doesn't say that owning a gun will make you point it at another person and pull the trigger. >Guns make it easier to achieve death of others. Agreed. >All other things being equal, less guns = less deaths, more guns = more deaths. This doesn't follow. Please provide a source. Less apples = more starvation? >Kansas makes it worse by not even pretending to restrict guns to anyone of any mental disposition. Does this lead to more deaths due to terrorist attacks (guns or no)? Source? Edit: >holy shit, your willingness to be absurd about this is mind-boggling Isn't it mean to call someone absurd? ;) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723665

X86BSD 10y ago

As I've said earlier in this story thread, you CANT restrict a RIGHT. If you can it's not a right it is a privelage. The courts are quite clear we have a constitutional right not privelage to keep and bear arms. Perhaps the state of Kansas and Missouri as well, was simply recognizing that trying to control this right would be ultimately shot down in the courts and a waste of time and energy to futilely do so. The Boston bombers used explosives not guns, Timothy Mcvey used a truck load of explosives not guns made from fertilizer and fuel oil. The scale of death from that far FAR out numbered any mass shooting to date. The guy in France that just drove a truck and ran over people didn't use a gun. It's nonsense to focus on guns. Mental illness is what you should focus on. But you and others don't because it's not as easy to define or pin down as a black piece of metal. Shame because that is the real issue in these tragedies. Mental state.

grzm 10y ago
you CANT restrict a RIGHT. If you can it's not a right it is a privelage. Setting aside the discussion at hand, will you unpack what you mean by this? Both the 1st and 2nd amendments are considered rights, yet do have constitutionally-upheld restrictions in the US. Please note I'm not arguing one way or the other whether your statement or these restrictions are correct or not. I'm just trying to understand fully what you mean by this statement. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act Do you mean can in the sense of constitutionally pass a law restricting them? Do you consider these restrictions, or something else? In your opinion should the restrictions above be lifted? Something else entirely?