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I have a disagreement with - "blame Trump for every crime that is ever committed against middle-eastern people in the US". Why should we not blame the people wh

I have a disagreement with - "blame Trump for every crime that is ever committed against middle-eastern people in the US". Why should we not blame the people whose rhetoric is inspiring the violence towards immigrants? Obviously, no one is saying that Trump personally killed Srinivas, but (afaik) then neither did Hitler.

downandout 10y ago
Trump is not Hitler, as much as leftists and the media love the comparison. Did the killer even mention Trump? People with racist views were doing terrible things before Trump was even born, and they will be doing them long after he dies. If Trump has ever endorsed the murder of anyone, let alone murder based upon the intended victim's race, I would love to see the footage. Then I will stand behind your comment all the way. Until then, I don't even see a passive link.
- virtuabhi 10y ago
  "People with racist views were doing terrible things before Trump" -> Yes, but now with support from white supremacists inside WH (Bannon, Miller) and a President with concordant views, the racists are feeling emboldened to commit the hate crimes. The devil is out of the bottle.
  - downandout 10y ago
    Can you show me the "support" that any of these people have lent to racists since entering the White House? Or any proof that Trump has "concordant views" with racists? If you have it, I think the world would be interested in seeing it. I certainly would not have put Bannon anywhere near the government, but I think Trump judges people more on their business abilities than on any alleged views. The fact that Trump wants to partially enforce long-standing immigration laws does not make him a racist or someone that lends support to racists, and neither does the mere observation that the vast majority of large-scale terrorist acts happen to be committed by people from specific parts of the world. If that is all you've got, your argument isn't going anywhere. This is the problem with all of the Trump criticism. It's all innuendo. If there are facts to make a case, then make it and people will support it. Right now all I see is a President that is enforcing some laws. You know, like the ones he has to swear to uphold when he takes office.
    - virtuabhi 10y ago
      Okay, here you go - (1) Your President - "the mexicans are rapists, drug dealers, ... some are good people" "bad hombres/bad dudes" (2) Bannon at CPAC yesterday - "we are a nation with a culture not based on economy or borders" (3) What can I write about targeting Muslims - the muslim ban, Bannon saying that we need a war to unite the country and next war will be the war against Islam in which (he believes) Russia can help. (4) Shouting everyday that the WH is implementing and will implement all the hateful rheotric they campaigned on And you say "you would not put Bannon anywhere near the government" -- Seriously? He is a member of National Security Council and chief strategist to your President. Let us know what will it take for you to accept that the current WH has racists in powerful positions? Should Trump post a tweet proclaiming that he is a racist? Also please have a response better than "but Mexicans/Islam are not a race, that is a country/religion".
      - downandout 10y ago
        (1) He didn't say that all Mexicans were those things. He said some illegal immigrants have committed rape and deal drugs, which is absolutely true. That isn't to say that Americans don't also do those things, but we have to put up with Americans, good or bad. We don't have to put up with people being here illegally doing those things...we have enough problems with actual citizens. (2) I'm not sure how that supports racism (3) I disagree with the travel ban. However, the vast majority of large-scale terrorist attacks - the kind that shake economies and make people scared to travel and shop - have been committed by people from one specific religion who tend to be from very specific parts of the world. It isn't racist to make that factual observation and attempt to at least curb it. (4) Again, I disagree that I have heard any "hateful rhetoric" from Trump. I've heard a somewhat dire worldview, but he isn't entirely wrong about that. There are many things that are out of whack in this world. If you're referring to his stance on immigration, we have immigration laws that previous Presidents refused to enforce. He just wants to partially enforce them. That isn't "hateful rhetoric" - that's just what Presidents are supposed to do. I said that I, personally, wouldn't have chosen Bannon for a cabinet postion. Further, Trump isn't "my president". I predicted that both Hillary and Trump would be disasters. We were screwed when the primaries ended. I just don't like to denigrate people without facts, and all I see in the media and in your response is "I'm pissed that my side lost, so I'm going to take everything that Trump or anyone associated with him does or says and interpret it negatively".
  - urbanj 10y ago
    Honestly it's not worth responding. Nothing you say will convince and all that will happen is you'll be asked over and over again for sources and evidence. I believe the term for this kind of tactic is sealioning. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sea-lioning http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sea-lioning
- strathmeyer 10y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPtZAakAXns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPtZAakAXns Complaining about leftists reveals someone's brain damage. Sow now you stand by it, riiight?

downandout 10y ago

Trump is not Hitler, as much as leftists and the media love the comparison. Did the killer even mention Trump? People with racist views were doing terrible things before Trump was even born, and they will be doing them long after he dies. If Trump has ever endorsed the murder of anyone, let alone murder based upon the intended victim's race, I would love to see the footage. Then I will stand behind your comment all the way. Until then, I don't even see a passive link.

virtuabhi 10y ago
"People with racist views were doing terrible things before Trump" -> Yes, but now with support from white supremacists inside WH (Bannon, Miller) and a President with concordant views, the racists are feeling emboldened to commit the hate crimes. The devil is out of the bottle.
- downandout 10y ago
  Can you show me the "support" that any of these people have lent to racists since entering the White House? Or any proof that Trump has "concordant views" with racists? If you have it, I think the world would be interested in seeing it. I certainly would not have put Bannon anywhere near the government, but I think Trump judges people more on their business abilities than on any alleged views. The fact that Trump wants to partially enforce long-standing immigration laws does not make him a racist or someone that lends support to racists, and neither does the mere observation that the vast majority of large-scale terrorist acts happen to be committed by people from specific parts of the world. If that is all you've got, your argument isn't going anywhere. This is the problem with all of the Trump criticism. It's all innuendo. If there are facts to make a case, then make it and people will support it. Right now all I see is a President that is enforcing some laws. You know, like the ones he has to swear to uphold when he takes office.
  - virtuabhi 10y ago
    Okay, here you go - (1) Your President - "the mexicans are rapists, drug dealers, ... some are good people" "bad hombres/bad dudes" (2) Bannon at CPAC yesterday - "we are a nation with a culture not based on economy or borders" (3) What can I write about targeting Muslims - the muslim ban, Bannon saying that we need a war to unite the country and next war will be the war against Islam in which (he believes) Russia can help. (4) Shouting everyday that the WH is implementing and will implement all the hateful rheotric they campaigned on And you say "you would not put Bannon anywhere near the government" -- Seriously? He is a member of National Security Council and chief strategist to your President. Let us know what will it take for you to accept that the current WH has racists in powerful positions? Should Trump post a tweet proclaiming that he is a racist? Also please have a response better than "but Mexicans/Islam are not a race, that is a country/religion".
    - downandout 10y ago
      (1) He didn't say that all Mexicans were those things. He said some illegal immigrants have committed rape and deal drugs, which is absolutely true. That isn't to say that Americans don't also do those things, but we have to put up with Americans, good or bad. We don't have to put up with people being here illegally doing those things...we have enough problems with actual citizens. (2) I'm not sure how that supports racism (3) I disagree with the travel ban. However, the vast majority of large-scale terrorist attacks - the kind that shake economies and make people scared to travel and shop - have been committed by people from one specific religion who tend to be from very specific parts of the world. It isn't racist to make that factual observation and attempt to at least curb it. (4) Again, I disagree that I have heard any "hateful rhetoric" from Trump. I've heard a somewhat dire worldview, but he isn't entirely wrong about that. There are many things that are out of whack in this world. If you're referring to his stance on immigration, we have immigration laws that previous Presidents refused to enforce. He just wants to partially enforce them. That isn't "hateful rhetoric" - that's just what Presidents are supposed to do. I said that I, personally, wouldn't have chosen Bannon for a cabinet postion. Further, Trump isn't "my president". I predicted that both Hillary and Trump would be disasters. We were screwed when the primaries ended. I just don't like to denigrate people without facts, and all I see in the media and in your response is "I'm pissed that my side lost, so I'm going to take everything that Trump or anyone associated with him does or says and interpret it negatively".
- urbanj 10y ago
  Honestly it's not worth responding. Nothing you say will convince and all that will happen is you'll be asked over and over again for sources and evidence. I believe the term for this kind of tactic is sealioning. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sea-lioning http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sea-lioning
strathmeyer 10y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPtZAakAXns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPtZAakAXns Complaining about leftists reveals someone's brain damage. Sow now you stand by it, riiight?