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Is there a link to an actual government site instead of pictures of a book in Swedish that was published decades ago? > Besides, socioeconomic factors to justi

by otalp 10y ago

Is there a link to an actual government site instead of pictures of a book in Swedish that was published decades ago? > Besides, socioeconomic factors to justify rape....really? I'm sorry, but it is really difficult to have a serious conversation with someone unable to differentiate between the process of analyzing reasons for crimes and 'justifying' crimes. That is elementary stuff. And your point doesn't even make sense. Are you saying rich, well educated muslims or african immigrants are still more likely to rape someone than a white person? Is your argument genetic? If that is not what you are implying - and I'll pay you the complement of assuming it's not, then you will have to at least consider socioeconomic factors.

factsaresacred 10y ago
> is there a link to an actual government site instead of pictures of a book in Swedish that was published decades ago? That book was published by the goverment of Sweden. Does the host matter? In 2005 BRA (Swedish Criminal statistics) published an update saying: "Immigrants’ risk of being registered for crime has not changed in any pronounced way since the previous study conducted by the National Council, which related to the situation at the end of the 1980s" Link: https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1371914726382/2006_4_kriminalstatistik_2005.pdf https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1... > it is really difficult to have a serious conversation with someone unable to differentiate between the process of analyzing reasons for crimes and 'justifying' crimes. Justification: "give grounds for, give reasons for, give a justification for". Pointing at socioeconomic factors is justifying the crimes by allusion to the circumstances of the crime. Maybe you're confused it with 'condoning' which means something else. So my point is, do we think we can analyze and find reason for aggravated rape within socioeconomic circumstances? > Are you saying rich, well educated muslims or african immigrants are still more likely to rape someone than a white person? Am I? I don't think that I am.
- otalp 10y ago
  1)'Justify' meaning: https://www.google.co.uk/#q=justify+meaning https://www.google.co.uk/#q=justify+meaning "show or prove to be right or reasonable" 2) > That book was published by the goverment of Sweden. Probably, but pictures on "pdf-archive.com" are not a valid source since anyone can doctor them. It should be trivial and take a matter of minutes to find a link to the official government manual from a government site, if you're familiar with the study. >So my point is, do we think we can analyze and find reason for aggravated rape within socioeconomic circumstances? Possibly. We do not have any information that makes socioeconomic factors irrelevant, and comparable studies strongly tilt the balance in the favour of such an explanation.

by otalp 10y ago

factsaresacred 10y ago

> is there a link to an actual government site instead of pictures of a book in Swedish that was published decades ago? That book was published by the goverment of Sweden. Does the host matter? In 2005 BRA (Swedish Criminal statistics) published an update saying: "Immigrants’ risk of being registered for crime has not changed in any pronounced way since the previous study conducted by the National Council, which related to the situation at the end of the 1980s" Link: https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1371914726382/2006_4_kriminalstatistik_2005.pdf https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1... > it is really difficult to have a serious conversation with someone unable to differentiate between the process of analyzing reasons for crimes and 'justifying' crimes. Justification: "give grounds for, give reasons for, give a justification for". Pointing at socioeconomic factors is justifying the crimes by allusion to the circumstances of the crime. Maybe you're confused it with 'condoning' which means something else. So my point is, do we think we can analyze and find reason for aggravated rape within socioeconomic circumstances? > Are you saying rich, well educated muslims or african immigrants are still more likely to rape someone than a white person? Am I? I don't think that I am.

otalp 10y ago
1)'Justify' meaning: https://www.google.co.uk/#q=justify+meaning https://www.google.co.uk/#q=justify+meaning "show or prove to be right or reasonable" 2) > That book was published by the goverment of Sweden. Probably, but pictures on "pdf-archive.com" are not a valid source since anyone can doctor them. It should be trivial and take a matter of minutes to find a link to the official government manual from a government site, if you're familiar with the study. >So my point is, do we think we can analyze and find reason for aggravated rape within socioeconomic circumstances? Possibly. We do not have any information that makes socioeconomic factors irrelevant, and comparable studies strongly tilt the balance in the favour of such an explanation.