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Timothy McVeigh was a white terrorist. This is a hate crime committed by a racist alcoholic. "Terrorism" is the wrong word here. I also take issue with this s

Timothy McVeigh was a white terrorist. This is a hate crime committed by a racist alcoholic. "Terrorism" is the wrong word here. I also take issue with this statement: >"Remember, the shooter had been told by Trump-Bannon that Muslims hate America and should be excluded from the US." This lays bare the author's intention to blame Trump for every crime that is ever committed against middle-eastern people in the US. This is obviously an absurd and extreme notion. So this article is an extremely biased, politicized version of a legitimate news event. I thought HN had an "original source" policy. The link should probably be changed to the actual news article upon which this drivel is based, which is here [1]. [1] http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article134508139.html http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article134508139....

CrossWired 10y ago
Lets not try to minimize his racism by allocating ANY of the blame on his possible alcoholism. He's a racist murder, who just happens to be a drunkard.
- downandout 10y ago
  I guess I wouldn't ever excuse or minimize any crime based upon alcoholism, so I didn't take into account that others might. I just meant that he was a drunk racist.
virtuabhi 10y ago
I have a disagreement with - "blame Trump for every crime that is ever committed against middle-eastern people in the US". Why should we not blame the people whose rhetoric is inspiring the violence towards immigrants? Obviously, no one is saying that Trump personally killed Srinivas, but (afaik) then neither did Hitler.
- downandout 10y ago
  Trump is not Hitler, as much as leftists and the media love the comparison. Did the killer even mention Trump? People with racist views were doing terrible things before Trump was even born, and they will be doing them long after he dies. If Trump has ever endorsed the murder of anyone, let alone murder based upon the intended victim's race, I would love to see the footage. Then I will stand behind your comment all the way. Until then, I don't even see a passive link.
  - virtuabhi 10y ago
    "People with racist views were doing terrible things before Trump" -> Yes, but now with support from white supremacists inside WH (Bannon, Miller) and a President with concordant views, the racists are feeling emboldened to commit the hate crimes. The devil is out of the bottle.
    - downandout 10y ago
      Can you show me the "support" that any of these people have lent to racists since entering the White House? Or any proof that Trump has "concordant views" with racists? If you have it, I think the world would be interested in seeing it. I certainly would not have put Bannon anywhere near the government, but I think Trump judges people more on their business abilities than on any alleged views. The fact that Trump wants to partially enforce long-standing immigration laws does not make him a racist or someone that lends support to racists, and neither does the mere observation that the vast majority of large-scale terrorist acts happen to be committed by people from specific parts of the world. If that is all you've got, your argument isn't going anywhere. This is the problem with all of the Trump criticism. It's all innuendo. If there are facts to make a case, then make it and people will support it. Right now all I see is a President that is enforcing some laws. You know, like the ones he has to swear to uphold when he takes office.
      - virtuabhi 10y ago
        Okay, here you go - (1) Your President - "the mexicans are rapists, drug dealers, ... some are good people" "bad hombres/bad dudes" (2) Bannon at CPAC yesterday - "we are a nation with a culture not based on economy or borders" (3) What can I write about targeting Muslims - the muslim ban, Bannon saying that we need a war to unite the country and next war will be the war against Islam in which (he believes) Russia can help. (4) Shouting everyday that the WH is implementing and will implement all the hateful rheotric they campaigned on And you say "you would not put Bannon anywhere near the government" -- Seriously? He is a member of National Security Council and chief strategist to your President. Let us know what will it take for you to accept that the current WH has racists in powerful positions? Should Trump post a tweet proclaiming that he is a racist? Also please have a response better than "but Mexicans/Islam are not a race, that is a country/religion".

CrossWired 10y ago

Lets not try to minimize his racism by allocating ANY of the blame on his possible alcoholism. He's a racist murder, who just happens to be a drunkard.

downandout 10y ago
I guess I wouldn't ever excuse or minimize any crime based upon alcoholism, so I didn't take into account that others might. I just meant that he was a drunk racist.

virtuabhi 10y ago

I have a disagreement with - "blame Trump for every crime that is ever committed against middle-eastern people in the US". Why should we not blame the people whose rhetoric is inspiring the violence towards immigrants? Obviously, no one is saying that Trump personally killed Srinivas, but (afaik) then neither did Hitler.

downandout 10y ago
Trump is not Hitler, as much as leftists and the media love the comparison. Did the killer even mention Trump? People with racist views were doing terrible things before Trump was even born, and they will be doing them long after he dies. If Trump has ever endorsed the murder of anyone, let alone murder based upon the intended victim's race, I would love to see the footage. Then I will stand behind your comment all the way. Until then, I don't even see a passive link.
- virtuabhi 10y ago
  "People with racist views were doing terrible things before Trump" -> Yes, but now with support from white supremacists inside WH (Bannon, Miller) and a President with concordant views, the racists are feeling emboldened to commit the hate crimes. The devil is out of the bottle.
  - downandout 10y ago
    Can you show me the "support" that any of these people have lent to racists since entering the White House? Or any proof that Trump has "concordant views" with racists? If you have it, I think the world would be interested in seeing it. I certainly would not have put Bannon anywhere near the government, but I think Trump judges people more on their business abilities than on any alleged views. The fact that Trump wants to partially enforce long-standing immigration laws does not make him a racist or someone that lends support to racists, and neither does the mere observation that the vast majority of large-scale terrorist acts happen to be committed by people from specific parts of the world. If that is all you've got, your argument isn't going anywhere. This is the problem with all of the Trump criticism. It's all innuendo. If there are facts to make a case, then make it and people will support it. Right now all I see is a President that is enforcing some laws. You know, like the ones he has to swear to uphold when he takes office.
    - virtuabhi 10y ago
      Okay, here you go - (1) Your President - "the mexicans are rapists, drug dealers, ... some are good people" "bad hombres/bad dudes" (2) Bannon at CPAC yesterday - "we are a nation with a culture not based on economy or borders" (3) What can I write about targeting Muslims - the muslim ban, Bannon saying that we need a war to unite the country and next war will be the war against Islam in which (he believes) Russia can help. (4) Shouting everyday that the WH is implementing and will implement all the hateful rheotric they campaigned on And you say "you would not put Bannon anywhere near the government" -- Seriously? He is a member of National Security Council and chief strategist to your President. Let us know what will it take for you to accept that the current WH has racists in powerful positions? Should Trump post a tweet proclaiming that he is a racist? Also please have a response better than "but Mexicans/Islam are not a race, that is a country/religion".