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> What are your sources that try to prove that socioeconomic factors are not 'the major ones'? How about the Swedish government themselves? - A 1996 BRA (Swed

> What are your sources that try to prove that socioeconomic factors are not 'the major ones'? How about the Swedish government themselves? - A 1996 BRA (Swedish Criminal statistics) study found that "there any indication that immigrants in Sweden are discriminated in the courts. Immigrant overrepresentation in registered crime is almost certainly real...nor is it caused by any generally lower social economic status (calculated as per SEI code) in Sweden." - Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention determined that between 1985 and 1989 individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia),Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries), other Middle East (Jordan, Palestine, Syria), Iran and Eastern Europe (Romania, Bulgaria) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, 17, 9, 10 and 18 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively." http://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/05/08/br-1996-2-invandrares-och-invandrares-barns-brottslighet-1/br-1996-2-invandrares-och-invandrares-barns-brottslighet-1.pdf http://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/05/08/br-1996-2-invandrares-... Besides, socioeconomic factors to justify rape....really?

glormph 10y ago
I am not arguing against your point, but are there reports which are not 20+ years old? Also, my understanding of the words may be wrong but I didn't see anyone _justifying_ rape in this thread.
- factsaresacred 10y ago
  > are there reports which are not 20+ years old? I asked the same question. In 2005 Bra released a report saying "Immigrants’ risk of being registered for crime has not changed in any pronounced way since the previous study conducted by the National Council, which related to the situation at the end of the 1980s". https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1371914726382/2006_4_kriminalstatistik_2005.pdf https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1... Your claim was "What are your sources that try to prove that socioeconomic factors are not 'the major ones'?" so my question is 'what of rape'? This is the main crime making headlines. How does one explain it with socioeconomic factors? And even if you could, would that be a satisfactory explanation?
  - glormph 10y ago
    I see you have already dealt with my question about the word justify with another commenter.
otalp 10y ago
Is there a link to an actual government site instead of pictures of a book in Swedish that was published decades ago? > Besides, socioeconomic factors to justify rape....really? I'm sorry, but it is really difficult to have a serious conversation with someone unable to differentiate between the process of analyzing reasons for crimes and 'justifying' crimes. That is elementary stuff. And your point doesn't even make sense. Are you saying rich, well educated muslims or african immigrants are still more likely to rape someone than a white person? Is your argument genetic? If that is not what you are implying - and I'll pay you the complement of assuming it's not, then you will have to at least consider socioeconomic factors.
- factsaresacred 10y ago
  > is there a link to an actual government site instead of pictures of a book in Swedish that was published decades ago? That book was published by the goverment of Sweden. Does the host matter? In 2005 BRA (Swedish Criminal statistics) published an update saying: "Immigrants’ risk of being registered for crime has not changed in any pronounced way since the previous study conducted by the National Council, which related to the situation at the end of the 1980s" Link: https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1371914726382/2006_4_kriminalstatistik_2005.pdf https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1... > it is really difficult to have a serious conversation with someone unable to differentiate between the process of analyzing reasons for crimes and 'justifying' crimes. Justification: "give grounds for, give reasons for, give a justification for". Pointing at socioeconomic factors is justifying the crimes by allusion to the circumstances of the crime. Maybe you're confused it with 'condoning' which means something else. So my point is, do we think we can analyze and find reason for aggravated rape within socioeconomic circumstances? > Are you saying rich, well educated muslims or african immigrants are still more likely to rape someone than a white person? Am I? I don't think that I am.
  - otalp 10y ago
    1)'Justify' meaning: https://www.google.co.uk/#q=justify+meaning https://www.google.co.uk/#q=justify+meaning "show or prove to be right or reasonable" 2) > That book was published by the goverment of Sweden. Probably, but pictures on "pdf-archive.com" are not a valid source since anyone can doctor them. It should be trivial and take a matter of minutes to find a link to the official government manual from a government site, if you're familiar with the study. >So my point is, do we think we can analyze and find reason for aggravated rape within socioeconomic circumstances? Possibly. We do not have any information that makes socioeconomic factors irrelevant, and comparable studies strongly tilt the balance in the favour of such an explanation.

glormph 10y ago

I am not arguing against your point, but are there reports which are not 20+ years old? Also, my understanding of the words may be wrong but I didn't see anyone _justifying_ rape in this thread.

factsaresacred 10y ago
> are there reports which are not 20+ years old? I asked the same question. In 2005 Bra released a report saying "Immigrants’ risk of being registered for crime has not changed in any pronounced way since the previous study conducted by the National Council, which related to the situation at the end of the 1980s". https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1371914726382/2006_4_kriminalstatistik_2005.pdf https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1... Your claim was "What are your sources that try to prove that socioeconomic factors are not 'the major ones'?" so my question is 'what of rape'? This is the main crime making headlines. How does one explain it with socioeconomic factors? And even if you could, would that be a satisfactory explanation?
- glormph 10y ago
  I see you have already dealt with my question about the word justify with another commenter.

otalp 10y ago

Is there a link to an actual government site instead of pictures of a book in Swedish that was published decades ago? > Besides, socioeconomic factors to justify rape....really? I'm sorry, but it is really difficult to have a serious conversation with someone unable to differentiate between the process of analyzing reasons for crimes and 'justifying' crimes. That is elementary stuff. And your point doesn't even make sense. Are you saying rich, well educated muslims or african immigrants are still more likely to rape someone than a white person? Is your argument genetic? If that is not what you are implying - and I'll pay you the complement of assuming it's not, then you will have to at least consider socioeconomic factors.

factsaresacred 10y ago
> is there a link to an actual government site instead of pictures of a book in Swedish that was published decades ago? That book was published by the goverment of Sweden. Does the host matter? In 2005 BRA (Swedish Criminal statistics) published an update saying: "Immigrants’ risk of being registered for crime has not changed in any pronounced way since the previous study conducted by the National Council, which related to the situation at the end of the 1980s" Link: https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1371914726382/2006_4_kriminalstatistik_2005.pdf https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1... > it is really difficult to have a serious conversation with someone unable to differentiate between the process of analyzing reasons for crimes and 'justifying' crimes. Justification: "give grounds for, give reasons for, give a justification for". Pointing at socioeconomic factors is justifying the crimes by allusion to the circumstances of the crime. Maybe you're confused it with 'condoning' which means something else. So my point is, do we think we can analyze and find reason for aggravated rape within socioeconomic circumstances? > Are you saying rich, well educated muslims or african immigrants are still more likely to rape someone than a white person? Am I? I don't think that I am.
- otalp 10y ago
  1)'Justify' meaning: https://www.google.co.uk/#q=justify+meaning https://www.google.co.uk/#q=justify+meaning "show or prove to be right or reasonable" 2) > That book was published by the goverment of Sweden. Probably, but pictures on "pdf-archive.com" are not a valid source since anyone can doctor them. It should be trivial and take a matter of minutes to find a link to the official government manual from a government site, if you're familiar with the study. >So my point is, do we think we can analyze and find reason for aggravated rape within socioeconomic circumstances? Possibly. We do not have any information that makes socioeconomic factors irrelevant, and comparable studies strongly tilt the balance in the favour of such an explanation.