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But I wasn't contesting that at all? I was taking the number of 1.1%, quoted as purportedly "really low", and trying to extrapolate what the number of sexual as

• freeflight 10y ago
  >The report you linked doesn't help me at all, only providing an even larger number than I started with for migrant crimes. The report is the only thing that actually matters in this context because it's the actual data. All your sources are just news-outlets trying to interpret data from sources they don't even share with the reader. >but migrants from countries without a crisis that would lead to them seeking asylum And half these countries are not even "Muslim countries", yet they are overrepresented in the crime rates, while people from countries like Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan are proportionally lower with their crime rates. Which goes straight against the common misconception of "It's their Islamic culture that makes them so criminal and incompatible to our culture!". > This has been a very common criticism of the "floodgate" approach to accepting all immigrants regardless of their ability to justify their refugee status. You first have to accept them to check if they actually qualify for refugee status, those that don't qualify don't get the status and thus have to leave the country. How else would you want to handle this? Leave them all outside the border so they create their own communities, without any infrastructure or law enforcement? Do you seriously think creating these kinds of "slums" would be beneficial to anybody?
  • madmax96 10y ago
    >You first have to accept them to check if they actually qualify for refugee status, those that don't qualify don't get the status and thus have to leave the country. Then what? THEN they go back to the border and they create their own communities? How can you __actually__ make that many people leave? >Do you seriously think creating these kinds of "slums" would be beneficial to anybody? No, but the fact is these refugees are not able to contribute to the societies they come to in a meaningful way. For instance, in Germany only 1 in 10,000 refugees that arrived last year are employed. Is accepting a large quantity of people, most of whom do not have the kind of formal education required to be successful in a highly developed economy, beneficial to anybody? What's the end-game for this?
    • freeflight 10y ago
      >Then what? THEN they go back to the border and they create their own communities? How can you __actually__ make that many people leave? I never claimed the system is perfect because there is no perfect system for such complex problems. >No, but the fact is these refugees are not able to contribute to the societies they come to in a meaningful way. For instance, in Germany only 1 in 10,000 refugees that arrived last year are employed. That's because they are legally not allowed to work until their status has been cleared. It's not a matter of them "not wanting to work", it's a matter of not having the right status to work. The other alternative, one that many populist right-wingers are advocating for, is forcing them to work even when their refugee status is still not cleared up. But that would actually wreck havoc on labor wages because then you'd suddenly have created a whole new class of people that would work far below average wages just to "justify" their stay in the country. Do I really need to spell out what that would mean for the average low-income worker in the country? Average wages would be pushed even lower than they already are, which has already been a growing problem in Germany for over a decade. There are no easy solutions to any of this, people who claim there are easy solutions are simply deluding themselves about the long-term ramifications of their solutions. And no: Just "not letting them in" also ain't no solution, these people won't simply "disappear" just because you hide them behind big fences and walls. No matter how you frame it, "globalizations" and freedom of movement has it's advantages and brings a lot of positive changes. As somebody who crossed the "Iron curtain" several times, when it still existed, I hardly wish those times back. It would be a step back for Europe and humanity as a whole. Fences and walls don't solve problems, they only compartmentalize them.