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The point isn't to console you. The point is to explain why crime happens, so it can be mitigated. Ie: * Stop immigration. OR * Integrate poor people into so

by croon 10y ago

The point isn't to console you. The point is to explain why crime happens, so it can be mitigated. Ie: * Stop immigration. OR * Integrate poor people into society, the workforce, etc.

leereeves 10y ago
Those aren't in conflict. Immigration of more poor people from a different culture makes the already difficult task of integrating poor people even more difficult.
facepalm 10y ago
The question was "is there a problem with immigration". How to mitigate crime is only the second step. And it will be difficult to mitigate it if you don't accept the causes. Of course leftists believe that rich countries like Sweden are to be blamed for the poverty of people from other countries. I am also not saying poor people shouldn't be helped. But there doesn't seem to be a universally working formula available. Just as there doesn't seem a formula for making strict Muslims tolerant of homosexuality and freedom of women. If you are hanged by a radical Muslim because you are gay, it doesn't help you that he wouldn't have hanged you if only he had received the right educational interventions beforehand. ----- Edit: sure, Christians can be dangerous radicals, too. If they were a significant part of refugees, that would be topical, too. The problem seems, rather, that many refugees come from countries that skipped the enlightenment and are stuck in the middle ages in some things. I don't have statistics on radical muslims, but there are whole countries where gays are being hanged. You can google the pictures yourself. Here is a list of "Ehrenmorde" in Germany: http://www.ehrenmord.de/doku/2016/doku_2016.php http://www.ehrenmord.de/doku/2016/doku_2016.php Ehrenmorde are cases were people are being murdered by family members (usually brothers murdering their sisters, but sometimes also men are the victims) for bringing "shame" to the family - like having extramarital sex, leaving the religion, stuff like that. Some of the freedoms we take for granted are simply not taken for granted in other cultures. And I don't think there exists a formula for convincing people from such cultures of our values.
- tomlock 10y ago
  Got any numbers on how many Muslims are "radical" compared to Christians? Christians also perform exorcisms on gay children and in some cases lynch gay people. Keep in mind that deporting radical christian swedes would also be a good move if retaining a cultural tolerance for gay people is a goal.

by croon 10y ago

The point isn't to console you. The point is to explain why crime happens, so it can be mitigated. Ie: * Stop immigration. OR * Integrate poor people into society, the workforce, etc.

leereeves 10y ago

Those aren't in conflict. Immigration of more poor people from a different culture makes the already difficult task of integrating poor people even more difficult.

facepalm 10y ago

The question was "is there a problem with immigration". How to mitigate crime is only the second step. And it will be difficult to mitigate it if you don't accept the causes. Of course leftists believe that rich countries like Sweden are to be blamed for the poverty of people from other countries. I am also not saying poor people shouldn't be helped. But there doesn't seem to be a universally working formula available. Just as there doesn't seem a formula for making strict Muslims tolerant of homosexuality and freedom of women. If you are hanged by a radical Muslim because you are gay, it doesn't help you that he wouldn't have hanged you if only he had received the right educational interventions beforehand. ----- Edit: sure, Christians can be dangerous radicals, too. If they were a significant part of refugees, that would be topical, too. The problem seems, rather, that many refugees come from countries that skipped the enlightenment and are stuck in the middle ages in some things. I don't have statistics on radical muslims, but there are whole countries where gays are being hanged. You can google the pictures yourself. Here is a list of "Ehrenmorde" in Germany: http://www.ehrenmord.de/doku/2016/doku_2016.php http://www.ehrenmord.de/doku/2016/doku_2016.php Ehrenmorde are cases were people are being murdered by family members (usually brothers murdering their sisters, but sometimes also men are the victims) for bringing "shame" to the family - like having extramarital sex, leaving the religion, stuff like that. Some of the freedoms we take for granted are simply not taken for granted in other cultures. And I don't think there exists a formula for convincing people from such cultures of our values.

tomlock 10y ago
Got any numbers on how many Muslims are "radical" compared to Christians? Christians also perform exorcisms on gay children and in some cases lynch gay people. Keep in mind that deporting radical christian swedes would also be a good move if retaining a cultural tolerance for gay people is a goal.