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It's quite unkind to tell someone who's feeling fear because a murder happened that they are being "absurd".

tjr225 10y ago
These incidents are not limited to Kansas City nor are they common. KC is a welcoming and open minded place. If I held this same attitude I would have never visited places such as Paris or Istanbul(not that KC is as wonderful as either of those places).
Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
No. Rational heads should prevail even in these situations. What if "I guess I should just avoid white people" was the conclusion? It's just as absurd and just as demeaning to Kansas.
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  Please read my post again, i said "tell someone ... they're being absurd". Operative word being "tell". Feel free to think it, feel free to correct them kindly, but if you actually tell them those words then you ARE being unkind. Given that you value "rational heads" it is ironic you managed to not read my post with a rational head. Edit: Also, given that, as a state Kansas failed to enact measures that are proven to minimize occurence of such things, i think it does not get to complain about being demeaned. These deaths are on Kansas, as a state.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
    I wasn't going to rise to this until your edit: >Kansas failed to enact measures that are proven to minimize occurence of such things Source?
    - Mithaldu 10y ago
      http://statelaws.findlaw.com/kansas-law/kansas-gun-control-laws.html http://statelaws.findlaw.com/kansas-law/kansas-gun-control-l... "In 2015, for instance, a law was passed allowing Kansas residents to carry a concealed firearm without a permit or training." I could likely find more (education, social services, etc.), but well, i don't think i need to look further after that. E: Also have this: https://i.imgur.com/6f7lRRH.png https://i.imgur.com/6f7lRRH.png
      - striking 10y ago
        Guns equal violence now?
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        Haha, yes?
      - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
        So you're suggesting that posession of guns increases the frequency of hate crimes? Source?
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        Sorry i wasn't more clear: Gun possession increases the frequency of deaths due to terrorist attacks.
        striking 10y ago
        And you're more likely to die to shark attacks than to terrorist attacks, even before redefining the word "terrorist". Are you sure you want to stick with this argument?
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        Sure, especially given Kansas doesn't have to worry about shark attacks due to low amounts of sharks within its borders, but should worry about guns due to the absolutely preposterous amounts of them within its borders.
        Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
        Source?
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        Basic physics. Guns make it easier to achieve death of others. All other things being equal, less guns = less deaths, more guns = more deaths. Kansas makes it worse by not even pretending to restrict guns to anyone of any mental disposition.
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- dang 10y ago
  Good grief, this thread went haywire. Would you please avoid flamewars like this on HN? Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13730418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13730418.
dang 10y ago
You two went seriously off the rails in this thread. No more descents into flamewar madness, please. That's not why we're all here, and it's bloody tedious. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723202 and marked it off-topic.
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  I agree the deeper part of the thread was useless. That's why i stopped participating. However: All i did was try to give him the benefit of the doubt until it was clear he was trolling. If things like this bother you, i recommend actually taking steps that discourage people from arguing in bad faith. It is extremely hard to determine when someone is just ignorant, or when they're taking the piss; but when it's clear the latter should not be acceptable.
  - dang 10y ago
    You've done this kind of thing repeatedly; it's not just about the other person. HN depends on us keeping our comments more civil and substantive as a topic gets contentious or another person's comments get annoying. I say more because we all have a bias not to perceive how we're slipping in such situations (it always feels like someone else started it while "I merely", etc.), so there needs to be a conscious counteraction.
    - Mithaldu 10y ago
      I'm sorry for further discussing here, and would prefer to do this in private if you care, but i feel quite frustrated with you seemingly accusing me of having done something i cannot perceive even when trying to look for it, and thus having no clue what should've been done differently here in your opinion. Do you honestly think i was uncivil? Made unsubstantive (non-factual?) comments? If so, where? Because quite frankly on reviewing the conversation i cannot see it. I can see only comments from me that are perfectly polite and factual, except for the last edit in the last post i made, where i stopped being polite.

These incidents are not limited to Kansas City nor are they common. KC is a welcoming and open minded place. If I held this same attitude I would have never visited places such as Paris or Istanbul(not that KC is as wonderful as either of those places).

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago

No. Rational heads should prevail even in these situations. What if "I guess I should just avoid white people" was the conclusion? It's just as absurd and just as demeaning to Kansas.

Mithaldu 10y ago
Please read my post again, i said "tell someone ... they're being absurd". Operative word being "tell". Feel free to think it, feel free to correct them kindly, but if you actually tell them those words then you ARE being unkind. Given that you value "rational heads" it is ironic you managed to not read my post with a rational head. Edit: Also, given that, as a state Kansas failed to enact measures that are proven to minimize occurence of such things, i think it does not get to complain about being demeaned. These deaths are on Kansas, as a state.
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  I wasn't going to rise to this until your edit: >Kansas failed to enact measures that are proven to minimize occurence of such things Source?
  - Mithaldu 10y ago
    http://statelaws.findlaw.com/kansas-law/kansas-gun-control-laws.html http://statelaws.findlaw.com/kansas-law/kansas-gun-control-l... "In 2015, for instance, a law was passed allowing Kansas residents to carry a concealed firearm without a permit or training." I could likely find more (education, social services, etc.), but well, i don't think i need to look further after that. E: Also have this: https://i.imgur.com/6f7lRRH.png https://i.imgur.com/6f7lRRH.png
    - striking 10y ago
      Guns equal violence now?
      - Mithaldu 10y ago
        Haha, yes?
    - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
      So you're suggesting that posession of guns increases the frequency of hate crimes? Source?
      - Mithaldu 10y ago
        Sorry i wasn't more clear: Gun possession increases the frequency of deaths due to terrorist attacks.
        striking 10y ago
        And you're more likely to die to shark attacks than to terrorist attacks, even before redefining the word "terrorist". Are you sure you want to stick with this argument?
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        Sure, especially given Kansas doesn't have to worry about shark attacks due to low amounts of sharks within its borders, but should worry about guns due to the absolutely preposterous amounts of them within its borders.
        Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
        Source?
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        Basic physics. Guns make it easier to achieve death of others. All other things being equal, less guns = less deaths, more guns = more deaths. Kansas makes it worse by not even pretending to restrict guns to anyone of any mental disposition.
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dang 10y ago
Good grief, this thread went haywire. Would you please avoid flamewars like this on HN? Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13730418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13730418.

dang 10y ago

You two went seriously off the rails in this thread. No more descents into flamewar madness, please. That's not why we're all here, and it's bloody tedious. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13723202 and marked it off-topic.

Mithaldu 10y ago
I agree the deeper part of the thread was useless. That's why i stopped participating. However: All i did was try to give him the benefit of the doubt until it was clear he was trolling. If things like this bother you, i recommend actually taking steps that discourage people from arguing in bad faith. It is extremely hard to determine when someone is just ignorant, or when they're taking the piss; but when it's clear the latter should not be acceptable.
- dang 10y ago
  You've done this kind of thing repeatedly; it's not just about the other person. HN depends on us keeping our comments more civil and substantive as a topic gets contentious or another person's comments get annoying. I say more because we all have a bias not to perceive how we're slipping in such situations (it always feels like someone else started it while "I merely", etc.), so there needs to be a conscious counteraction.
  - Mithaldu 10y ago
    I'm sorry for further discussing here, and would prefer to do this in private if you care, but i feel quite frustrated with you seemingly accusing me of having done something i cannot perceive even when trying to look for it, and thus having no clue what should've been done differently here in your opinion. Do you honestly think i was uncivil? Made unsubstantive (non-factual?) comments? If so, where? Because quite frankly on reviewing the conversation i cannot see it. I can see only comments from me that are perfectly polite and factual, except for the last edit in the last post i made, where i stopped being polite.