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What's with the uptick in "grenade attacks"? Seems like there's been more in 2016 than in the four year period leading up to 2012? Really curious as to how th

by ra1n85 10y ago

What's with the uptick in "grenade attacks"? Seems like there's been more in 2016 than in the four year period leading up to 2012? Really curious as to how this is a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe...

mikko-apo 10y ago
I don't know about Sweden, but in Finland the number of firebomb/grenade attacks increased a lot in the past few years. All of them due Finnish born right wing zealots trying to burn down the shelters housing the refugees. Luckily there seems to be less attacks in the last half a year. I think there's been more attacks, but here's a summary of some of them: http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-8517586 http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-8517586 (Dec 2015, in finnish)
cfv 10y ago
Reading your link I counted a hundred and twenty in 19 years. For about 9 million people in Sweden, that's a 120/(19 * 9 * 10^6) change of something happening each year. That's insanely small, compared to, say, the amount of people dying in bathtubs while intoxicated, which works out to 4377/(19 * 9 * 10^6) assuming this is a stagnant problem. (http://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-13-216 http://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/14...) Look, I'm fully aware you need to panic, and I'm fully aware this need is being satisfied by a bunch of cronies standing to make heaps of money on your panic. Just know your fear is not justified and should not be the reason for aiding the raise of fascism in europe.
krona 10y ago
The Yugoslav mafia is well established in parts of Sweden; mostly in rural areas that the government seem to have forgotten exist. The rest is just supply and demand; mostly demand from Somali crime gangs.
piva00 10y ago
From what I'm aware of, grenade attacks mostly occur between gangs in Malmö and some areas of Skåne and Göteborg. I'm not a Swedish national, I'm an expat living here so I don't have the whole story behind these gangs and why they mostly gathered around Göteborg and Malmö but not Stockholm. What I know is that these grenades came from the Balkans after the civil wars in the former Yugoslavia, now why is it so common for it to happen in Sweden of all countries I honestly don't know.
- dagw 10y ago
  why is it so common for it to happen in Sweden of all countries I honestly don't know One theory is that due to a quirk in the way the law is worded, grenades where not considered weapons, but rather a controlled explosive[0]. What this means in practice is that the punishment for smuggling hand grenades into the country is much much lower than the punishment for smuggling in guns. As the law is written, if you are first time offender caught with a hand grenade you're likely to get away with a fine. [0] https://www.svd.se/fritt-fram-ta-in-handgranater-i-sverige https://www.svd.se/fritt-fram-ta-in-handgranater-i-sverige
sebcat 10y ago
Leftover Yugoslavian M75s. They're easy to get across borders and there's a demand for them among certain groups of people. Semi-related: A significant amount of illegal firearms in Europe (including the firearms used in recent attacks) were sold legally in Slovakia as "deactivated acoustic expansion weapons" and then "reactivated".

by ra1n85 10y ago

mikko-apo 10y ago

I don't know about Sweden, but in Finland the number of firebomb/grenade attacks increased a lot in the past few years. All of them due Finnish born right wing zealots trying to burn down the shelters housing the refugees. Luckily there seems to be less attacks in the last half a year. I think there's been more attacks, but here's a summary of some of them: http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-8517586 http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-8517586 (Dec 2015, in finnish)

cfv 10y ago

Reading your link I counted a hundred and twenty in 19 years. For about 9 million people in Sweden, that's a 120/(19 * 9 * 10^6) change of something happening each year. That's insanely small, compared to, say, the amount of people dying in bathtubs while intoxicated, which works out to 4377/(19 * 9 * 10^6) assuming this is a stagnant problem. (http://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-13-216 http://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/14...) Look, I'm fully aware you need to panic, and I'm fully aware this need is being satisfied by a bunch of cronies standing to make heaps of money on your panic. Just know your fear is not justified and should not be the reason for aiding the raise of fascism in europe.

krona 10y ago

The Yugoslav mafia is well established in parts of Sweden; mostly in rural areas that the government seem to have forgotten exist. The rest is just supply and demand; mostly demand from Somali crime gangs.

piva00 10y ago

From what I'm aware of, grenade attacks mostly occur between gangs in Malmö and some areas of Skåne and Göteborg. I'm not a Swedish national, I'm an expat living here so I don't have the whole story behind these gangs and why they mostly gathered around Göteborg and Malmö but not Stockholm. What I know is that these grenades came from the Balkans after the civil wars in the former Yugoslavia, now why is it so common for it to happen in Sweden of all countries I honestly don't know.

dagw 10y ago
why is it so common for it to happen in Sweden of all countries I honestly don't know One theory is that due to a quirk in the way the law is worded, grenades where not considered weapons, but rather a controlled explosive[0]. What this means in practice is that the punishment for smuggling hand grenades into the country is much much lower than the punishment for smuggling in guns. As the law is written, if you are first time offender caught with a hand grenade you're likely to get away with a fine. [0] https://www.svd.se/fritt-fram-ta-in-handgranater-i-sverige https://www.svd.se/fritt-fram-ta-in-handgranater-i-sverige

sebcat 10y ago

Leftover Yugoslavian M75s. They're easy to get across borders and there's a demand for them among certain groups of people. Semi-related: A significant amount of illegal firearms in Europe (including the firearms used in recent attacks) were sold legally in Slovakia as "deactivated acoustic expansion weapons" and then "reactivated".