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You have a few no-go zones in France, e.g. in the Northern districts of Marseille, where the police does not go except for big operations as it is too dangerous

You have a few no-go zones in France, e.g. in the Northern districts of Marseille, where the police does not go except for big operations as it is too dangerous. It looks like it is not the case in Sweden as the police can still go everywhere, even if some districts are more dangerous than others.

arethuza 10y ago
I remember hearing something similar from a policeman here in Scotland ~30 years ago - to arrest someone who they expected to be violent from a high-rise in a rougher area would need a remarkable number of people involved as they didn't want to let anyone be out of sight of anyone else so that meant someone standing on each landing on the stairs. And that's nothing to do with immigrants just us Scots and our unfortunate propensity for violence (see: radge).
- threeseed 10y ago
  There are areas like this in most countries. And it's most often linked to poverty, youth unemployment, the stability of the family home and absence of good role models. But instead people like to blame immigrants because it's easier. It's always that faceless person over there who is responsible for your problems.
  - ptaipale 10y ago
    > There are areas like this in most countries. But for quite many decades, there didn't use to be areas like that in Sweden.
    - alkonaut 10y ago
      No one is contesting that either. Areas like this become like this because of poverty and unemployment. Sweden has a system of very high entry level wages making the threshold for getting a job very high. If you immigrated from Somalia the chance that you have a job a decade later is around zero. So in a way this comes as an unfortunate result of success rather than failure. We "could afford" having migrants, and we have had the luxury of high entry wages. The fact that this leads to massive segregation and thus integration problems is the downside we haven't figured out.
breatheoften 10y ago
Guadaloupe (a French island dominion in the Caribbean) has neighborhoods like this (black communities -- most of the black people descend from former slaves and have been there for generations). I heard about this on a podcast discussing a recent finding that the Guadaloupe Raccoon was actually the same species as the common North American raccoon and was hence subject to EU pest control regulations. The Guadaloupe raccoon had been a common pet up to then -- and police began raiding neighborhoods with large teams to take people's pet raccoons into custody. These raids were often quite tense and dangerous. I mention this to provide a case which demonstrates 'no go zones' that do not involve immigration. Its my guess that immigration is almost never the cause of a no-go-zone neighborhood -- I think such neighborhoods are almost always the result of real systemic social biases that cause socio-economic problems.

arethuza 10y ago

I remember hearing something similar from a policeman here in Scotland ~30 years ago - to arrest someone who they expected to be violent from a high-rise in a rougher area would need a remarkable number of people involved as they didn't want to let anyone be out of sight of anyone else so that meant someone standing on each landing on the stairs. And that's nothing to do with immigrants just us Scots and our unfortunate propensity for violence (see: radge).

threeseed 10y ago
There are areas like this in most countries. And it's most often linked to poverty, youth unemployment, the stability of the family home and absence of good role models. But instead people like to blame immigrants because it's easier. It's always that faceless person over there who is responsible for your problems.
- ptaipale 10y ago
  > There are areas like this in most countries. But for quite many decades, there didn't use to be areas like that in Sweden.
  - alkonaut 10y ago
    No one is contesting that either. Areas like this become like this because of poverty and unemployment. Sweden has a system of very high entry level wages making the threshold for getting a job very high. If you immigrated from Somalia the chance that you have a job a decade later is around zero. So in a way this comes as an unfortunate result of success rather than failure. We "could afford" having migrants, and we have had the luxury of high entry wages. The fact that this leads to massive segregation and thus integration problems is the downside we haven't figured out.

breatheoften 10y ago

Guadaloupe (a French island dominion in the Caribbean) has neighborhoods like this (black communities -- most of the black people descend from former slaves and have been there for generations). I heard about this on a podcast discussing a recent finding that the Guadaloupe Raccoon was actually the same species as the common North American raccoon and was hence subject to EU pest control regulations. The Guadaloupe raccoon had been a common pet up to then -- and police began raiding neighborhoods with large teams to take people's pet raccoons into custody. These raids were often quite tense and dangerous. I mention this to provide a case which demonstrates 'no go zones' that do not involve immigration. Its my guess that immigration is almost never the cause of a no-go-zone neighborhood -- I think such neighborhoods are almost always the result of real systemic social biases that cause socio-economic problems.