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High time citizens from rest of the world actively boycott travelling & working in the USA. It is just not worth getting shot by a random idiot while walking on
by vallavaraiyan 10y ago
High time citizens from rest of the world actively boycott travelling & working in the USA. It is just not worth getting shot by a random idiot while walking on the street.
- rhapsodic 10y agoIf you don't mind saying, what country are you from?
- erggr4tyh4y 10y agoVallavarayan is a Tamil name.
- oblio 10y agoWell, he's probably from a country with fewer guns per capita than the US. Which means.. all of them. Why would a developed country need 112 guns per 100 residents is beyond me. The US: * is less dangerous than Yemen (where there's a war going on right now) * most likely has smaller hunting areas than Russia * has a standing army, unlike Switzerland yet it still has more guns per capita than any of them!
- maxerickson 10y agoNearly everywhere in the US that isn't city is open to hunting. A big exception is the National Park System, but only a few of those are very large. Of course Russia is the largest country by land area so what you say is likely to be true, but still, pretty much everyone in the US is fairly close to viable hunting grounds. Of course not everyone hunts, but then owning 2 or 3 firearms for different types of hunting isn't really outlandish.
- oblio 10y ago> Of course not everyone hunts, but then owning 2 or 3 firearms for different types of hunting isn't really outlandish. The US literally has more than 1 gun per person. The US population includes: * children * senior citizens * disabled citizens * urban residents who most likely see hunting grounds once per decade * the largest prison population in the world * etc. I don't buy your argument.
- maxerickson 10y agoWhat argument is it you think I am making? I thought I was saying that hunting can make a large contribution to gun ownership and not trying real hard to quantify it.
- specialp 10y agoI bought a shotgun to shoot clay, and then I was given another shotgun that was 70 years old from someone who was cleaning out a relative's house that just died. I now own 2 guns bringing the guns per capita in my household to 1. Guns unlike cars which also approach 1 per capita never really disappear. Not saying this is a good thing. Over the history of our gun owning country a lot have been made. Surely there are nuts out there that buy an arsenal but many guns are handed down over the years and kept. People also collect historical weapons. It is hard to understand as suburban/city dwellers like myself, but in most other places in the country it is perfectly fine to be given granddad's guns and to keep them around adding to the statistics.
- karthik248 10y agoJust so you know, I am from the same City and University as the victim in this story. In our country(most other countries too) we, the common citizens, which includes most of the population, don't own firearms, use firearms, even as show-pieces or even see them everyday. It is hard for us to understand why they even allow you to own them.
- battlebot 10y agoBecause unlike your shitty country, in ours, free men have the right to bear arms and to defend themselves and righteously protect their families, their property, and their rights. That's fucking why.
- palerdot 10y agoYou might want to clarify that you mean same city and university from Hyderabad, India. When I was reading your comment, it looked like you were speaking about Kansas.
- vallavaraiyan 10y agoIndia, down south, from Madras
- rhapsodic 10y agoEdit: Information about Madras Oregon deleted.
- enraged_camel 10y agoThe difference is that he isn't very likely to get killed in Madras because of his skin color.
- erggr4tyh4y 10y agoYou have linked to Madras, OR, USA. They are from Madras, Tamil Nadu, India.
- nottorp 10y agoRofl. Just like the shooter picked on the indians thinking they're arabs. If you're trying to prove that americans have no idea there is a world outside their borders, you're succeeding wonderfully.
- rhapsodic 10y ago>Rofl. Just like the shooter picked on the indians thinking they're arabs. If you're trying to prove that americans have no idea there is a world outside their borders, you're succeeding wonderfully. Actually, it was the existence of Madras, Oregon that I was unaware of. That's why I assumed the page was about Madras, India.
- notalaser 10y agoTo be fair, the map you linked to was entirely unhelpful, seeing how it didn't display big bald eagles and a star-spangled banner next to the Ochoco National Forest, the Warm Springs Reservations and Camp Sherman.
- malikNF 10y agoThis kind of news about racists and bigots running around the country coupled together with the fact that one person at the border can mess up your entire life for not giving away your passwords makes me want to stay away from the U.S for now. Don't get me wrong, visiting the US has always been a dream for me and almost everyone I know, since it was this place where someone could go to make something of themselves, you know a place where they accepted and rewarded you for the hard work you did. May be we grew up and now realize that dream was just really good marketing. Who knows, I am just sad I have to read stuff like this too frequently these days.
- vallavaraiyan 10y ago"since it was this place where someone could go to make something of themselves, you know a place where they accepted and rewarded you for the hard work you did" absolutely. im saddened that it feels so risky to visit/work in a country founded on(and to a large part lived up to) such lofty principles.
- Inconel 10y agoI can understand your unease with visiting the US, and I certainly don't wish to dismiss your valid concerns, but I think tragic and hateful events like this can also serve to highlight the good in people. It should be noted that one of the injured was some random white dude who tried to pursue the gunman. Again, I understand why you feel the way you do and I'm not dismissing those concerns, but there are a lot of wonderful people in the US as well.
- malikNF 10y agoAgreed. And to add to our comment his name is Ian Grillot the hero in this story. There is a go-fund me page that was set up for him by his sisters. https://www.gofundme.com/a645d-ians-road-to-recovery https://www.gofundme.com/a645d-ians-road-to-recovery
- navs 10y agoSadly all it takes is a gun in the hands of a non-wonderful person. Not dismissing your comment but as an Indian, I'm seeing the damage just one a can do compared against the wonderful people.
- trynumber9 10y agoisn't that what an anti-immigrant terrorist wants?
- geodel 10y agoHuh. It is up to govt of other nations to raise this issue or issue travel/work advisories. Instead Indian govt for the lure of dollars is pushing for more visas and ease of travel would do show anything more than 'concern'.
- binarymax 10y agoPlease don't do this. In fact I encourage the opposite, that people travel more (not just to the US), and further solidify the idea that we are one planet that needs to unite and should not be afraid to travel. Overwhelm the borders. Double or triple the numbers. Show peacefully that we are positive and not backing down to the pettiness and ignorance of the current (and temporary) leaders and their cronies.
- mildbow 10y agoWhy? Why bother risking personal harm to visit a country that expressly doesn't seem to want you? Edit: Would down-voters like to comment on why this isn't a valid stance?
- binarymax 10y agoThe country wants you to visit! Please don't mistake the misguided actions of a few as the opinion of the entire country.
- BEEdwards 10y agoDespite all harassment that you'll receive at the border an the snide comments you'll receive from the people, we want you here!
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- PMan74 10y agoWhile this particular incident is the action of the one nutter, 63m people voted for Trump despite his anti Muslim, anti Mexican, etc. rethoric & his alt-right team. So I'd have questions about what the opinion of the entire country actually is. If I were a person of colour/muslin faith I'd be even more reluctant.
- urbanj 10y agoI agree . As a person with brown skin, I intend to never visit the US again.
- mikeash 10y agoThis is just as silly as the people who say that we need to ban Muslims from entering the US because they're too dangerous. Your odds of being murdered in a hate crime in this country are quite low. You're far more likely to be killed by a drunk driver or by falling down the stairs. As a general rule, any event that shows up in the national news is something not common enough to be afraid of, because anything that common is no longer newsworthy pretty much by definition.
- vallavaraiyan 10y agoassuming normal distibution, murder is at one extreme of the bell curve of hate. it's not just about getting shot.
- zipppy 10y agoSure, our current statistics show your statement to be true. But, I think many people are alarmed at the trajectory of hate and intolerance in the US. Also, being murdered is the worst thing that could happen, and maybe that event is still rare, but a set of stairs isn't going to harass you or discriminate against you. There's a whole spectrum of bad things that could happen to people because of the climate in the US.
- mikeash 10y agoThe original comment said, "It is just not worth getting shot by a random idiot while walking on the street." If you want to talk about other negative aspects, then fine, but that's a gigantic move of the goalposts.
- palerdot 10y agoCare to explain why? For me, getting shot while walking on the street and getting shot when having a normal conversation in a bar looks almost same. I genuinely want to know, what is the difference between the above comment and this particular incident. Because, this reasoning might also be the reason, why in U.S people prefer to have guns in their daily life (where living is the goal, and not how to prevent dying).