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> When we called them on it, they basically threatened to use lawyers to put us out of business if we pursued the issue, so I guess our management decided to dr

> When we called them on it, they basically threatened to use lawyers to put us out of business if we pursued the issue, so I guess our management decided to drop it. We did make them change the support email and phone number. This is why we can't have nice things. Darned lawyers. Can't live with them, can't live without them

mariusmg 10y ago
>can't live without them Really?
- ocdtrekkie 10y ago
  Without lawyers, Google would need to actually secure their data, rather than counting on lawyers to clean up the mess they made here.
non_sequitur 10y ago
To be fair ...saying you'd use lawyers to put someone out of business makes no sense unless the company had done something that the lawyers could go after. Hating on lawyers for being aimed at a company is like hating the court system for being available. The bigco's lawyers arent doing this of their own motivation. I'm' sure there was other stuff going on that made the op's company back down.
- sangnoir 10y ago
  Yet another believer in the Just world hypothesis... As Cardinal Richelieu said[1] about 400 years ago: Give me six lines written by the most honest man in the world, and I will find enough in them to hang him 1. the attribution of this quote is disputed
- unityByFreedom 10y ago
  I was only kidding. You can say that of any profession. Some day people will say the same of software engineers.
- ytpete 10y ago
  I wouldn't assume so: a larger company can afford to sink a lot more money into litigation, so they could effectively bleed the small company dry defending even a frivolous lawsuit. Patent trolls are one example of this - where they may deliberately select weaker defendants (instead of going after the bigco "infringers") so ensure they hold the upper hand in the financial power imbalance.
- curun1r 10y ago
  In this case, I believe the threat was twofold. They'd drag out proceedings so that we couldn't have afforded to make it to a judgment. But they'd also threaten to cancel a deal with one of our other large customers if they didn't cancel with us. Knowing basically our customer list and how much those customers paid for the software, it wasn't much work to infer the company's somewhat tenuous financial situation. They guessed, correctly, that we'd drop it rather than risk the company's future on a successful lawsuit that, win or lose, would likely mean the loss of a significant customer. There was nothing we'd done as a company that was actionable.
squarefoot 10y ago
"This is why we can't have nice things. Darned lawyers. Can't live with them, can't live without them" A lawyer can screw you badly, but if you want to screw a lawyer you need another lawyer. If taken as a category, they never lose.

mariusmg 10y ago

>can't live without them Really?

ocdtrekkie 10y ago
Without lawyers, Google would need to actually secure their data, rather than counting on lawyers to clean up the mess they made here.

non_sequitur 10y ago

To be fair ...saying you'd use lawyers to put someone out of business makes no sense unless the company had done something that the lawyers could go after. Hating on lawyers for being aimed at a company is like hating the court system for being available. The bigco's lawyers arent doing this of their own motivation. I'm' sure there was other stuff going on that made the op's company back down.

sangnoir 10y ago
Yet another believer in the Just world hypothesis... As Cardinal Richelieu said[1] about 400 years ago: Give me six lines written by the most honest man in the world, and I will find enough in them to hang him 1. the attribution of this quote is disputed
unityByFreedom 10y ago
I was only kidding. You can say that of any profession. Some day people will say the same of software engineers.
ytpete 10y ago
I wouldn't assume so: a larger company can afford to sink a lot more money into litigation, so they could effectively bleed the small company dry defending even a frivolous lawsuit. Patent trolls are one example of this - where they may deliberately select weaker defendants (instead of going after the bigco "infringers") so ensure they hold the upper hand in the financial power imbalance.
curun1r 10y ago
In this case, I believe the threat was twofold. They'd drag out proceedings so that we couldn't have afforded to make it to a judgment. But they'd also threaten to cancel a deal with one of our other large customers if they didn't cancel with us. Knowing basically our customer list and how much those customers paid for the software, it wasn't much work to infer the company's somewhat tenuous financial situation. They guessed, correctly, that we'd drop it rather than risk the company's future on a successful lawsuit that, win or lose, would likely mean the loss of a significant customer. There was nothing we'd done as a company that was actionable.

squarefoot 10y ago

"This is why we can't have nice things. Darned lawyers. Can't live with them, can't live without them" A lawyer can screw you badly, but if you want to screw a lawyer you need another lawyer. If taken as a category, they never lose.