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Yes, but if it really is advocacy there's no reason to fund it with tax money. I have no interest in having money taken from my paycheck to generate advocacy f

by gozur88 10y ago

Yes, but if it really is advocacy there's no reason to fund it with tax money. I have no interest in having money taken from my paycheck to generate advocacy for political positions contrary to my own. The CDC lost a lot of respect and public trust as a result of that gun "research". Respect and public trust it's going to need to carry out its actual mission, which is disease control.

Retric 10y ago
No, the CDC mission is public health, which is why the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health for example is under it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_for_Occupational_Safety_and_Health https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_for_Occupat... And no, I don't agree that simply doing research is inherently advocacy. All you have shown is you suspect the truth disagrees with your beliefs which is something you should consider more deeply. Cognitive dissonance is a sign that something you believe is false and ignoring that is a bad idea. PS: Thank you for acknowledging your above statement was wrong. I am going to assume it means you where not simply trolling.
- gozur88 10y ago
  No, research isn't inherently advocacy. But it can be advocacy depending on the way you do it - what you include in your studies and what you exclude. What you lump together when you roll up the numbers. And everybody knows this. It's not that I suspect the truth disagrees with my beliefs - it's that I suspect my tax money is being used to propagandize my fellow citizens in an effort to erode my civil rights. As to your p.s... 1) you are confused, and 2) people who assume other people are trolling when they meet disagreement aren't doing a good job of defending their own beliefs.
  - Retric 10y ago
    geaserg34234 is a very similar name and 18 hours old that started this thread which is where the trolling assumption came from. 1) you just acknowled NRA has fought against the CDC conducting and then acknowled CDC where conducting research. Which means you acknowledged the NRA was fighting research. You may feel it was biased or that the NRA was in the right or whatnot, but that's a completely separate point that I really don't care about. NRA's job is to support a viewpoint so that's what they are going to do.
    - gozur88 10y ago
      >You may feel it was biased or that the NRA was in the right or whatnot, but that's a completely separate point that I really don't care about. Um... okay. Whether or not the research is biased doesn't matter to you? That's an interesting position. Of what acutal value is biased research? >NRA's job is to support a viewpoint so that's what they are going to do. Yes, and the point was that's not the CDC's job. The day we start supporting the NRA with tax dollars is the day we can hold them up to the same scrutiny.
      - Retric 10y ago
        I really can't get worked up over 0.00006% of the federal budget. That's into fractions of a penny of my annual tax bill. Anyway, the CDC's job is promote public health and they have an office of public policy so advocacy really does fall under their mandate as required by law. Ed: As does Saw Blade Guards oddly enough. Now, you can disagree with that mandate, but nobody was blowing public money on hookers and blow or something.

by gozur88 10y ago

Retric 10y ago

No, the CDC mission is public health, which is why the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health for example is under it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_for_Occupational_Safety_and_Health https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_for_Occupat... And no, I don't agree that simply doing research is inherently advocacy. All you have shown is you suspect the truth disagrees with your beliefs which is something you should consider more deeply. Cognitive dissonance is a sign that something you believe is false and ignoring that is a bad idea. PS: Thank you for acknowledging your above statement was wrong. I am going to assume it means you where not simply trolling.

gozur88 10y ago
No, research isn't inherently advocacy. But it can be advocacy depending on the way you do it - what you include in your studies and what you exclude. What you lump together when you roll up the numbers. And everybody knows this. It's not that I suspect the truth disagrees with my beliefs - it's that I suspect my tax money is being used to propagandize my fellow citizens in an effort to erode my civil rights. As to your p.s... 1) you are confused, and 2) people who assume other people are trolling when they meet disagreement aren't doing a good job of defending their own beliefs.
- Retric 10y ago
  geaserg34234 is a very similar name and 18 hours old that started this thread which is where the trolling assumption came from. 1) you just acknowled NRA has fought against the CDC conducting and then acknowled CDC where conducting research. Which means you acknowledged the NRA was fighting research. You may feel it was biased or that the NRA was in the right or whatnot, but that's a completely separate point that I really don't care about. NRA's job is to support a viewpoint so that's what they are going to do.
  - gozur88 10y ago
    >You may feel it was biased or that the NRA was in the right or whatnot, but that's a completely separate point that I really don't care about. Um... okay. Whether or not the research is biased doesn't matter to you? That's an interesting position. Of what acutal value is biased research? >NRA's job is to support a viewpoint so that's what they are going to do. Yes, and the point was that's not the CDC's job. The day we start supporting the NRA with tax dollars is the day we can hold them up to the same scrutiny.
    - Retric 10y ago
      I really can't get worked up over 0.00006% of the federal budget. That's into fractions of a penny of my annual tax bill. Anyway, the CDC's job is promote public health and they have an office of public policy so advocacy really does fall under their mandate as required by law. Ed: As does Saw Blade Guards oddly enough. Now, you can disagree with that mandate, but nobody was blowing public money on hookers and blow or something.