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This is incredibly disturbing. This reminds me of all the random border patrol checkpoints set up in Arizona and California that were hundreds of miles from th

by cbanek 10y ago

This is incredibly disturbing. This reminds me of all the random border patrol checkpoints set up in Arizona and California that were hundreds of miles from the border, stopping all the highway traffic. Of course this is where all those famous Checkpoint USA videos come in (https://www.youtube.com/user/CheckpointUSA https://www.youtube.com/user/CheckpointUSA). I can only imagine what would happen if they just started stopping everyone on the freeway asking for ID... And so it begins.

cperciva 10y ago
I can only imagine what would happen if they just started stopping everyone on the freeway asking for ID... Don't the police set up roadblocks which stop everybody if they're trying to apprehend a fugitive and they think said fugitive is driving in a particular direction?
- cbanek 10y ago
  There are a few reasons why police will set up roadblocks, yes, like a manhunt, missing prisoner, or DUI checkpoint. The big difference is they don't ask for ID at these positions, and I've never personally seen a roadblock on a major interstate, usually it is smaller roads and closer to where they think the person might be. Of course roadblocks are only useful if you can set up blocks all around a perimeter. Also, those roadblocks are extremely temporary by nature, in terms of hours. Some of the border patrol checkpoints are basically permanent (a big sticking point in terms of the law). Now let's expand this instead of fugitive, you're looking for illegal immigrants on a list of people. Does that mean you can stop everyone, and scan their ID to try to find these people? Not to mention search the vehicle? In terms of the constitution, my right to free travel and the 4th amendment, I would hope that such a thing wouldn't happen, but it seems like that is what they are trying. For airports, things are a bit different, and you waive certain rights because of public safety and the risk of terrorism. But I can see something like that being moved down to travel by road as well.
  - code_duck 10y ago
    They definitely ask for ID at DUI roadblocks - license and registration, just like a traffic stop. They also will question passengers and if desired, ask you to go to 'secondary' for a search or K-9 inspection. I looked at the stats near San Bernardino while I was there for a time last year, and from what I recall they found more stolen vehicles, individuals with warrants and drugs than impaired drivers.
    - cbanek 10y ago
      Yeah, that's part of the problem, they say the checkpoint is for one reason, but really they do it to try to catch anything going on. For a DUI roadblock yeah they'll ask you for ID, but not all the people in the car. Also, for secondary at these border patrol checkpoints, I think it's pretty shaky legal ground, although they will try.
  - leereeves 10y ago
    I was stopped and asked for ID years ago when I was walking in an area where the police were looking for a suspect. No idea what would have happened if I had refused, but I doubt it would have been "Ok, you're free to go."
    - cbanek 10y ago
      It honestly probably depends on circumstances you might not be aware of, like the description of the person they are looking for. Obviously if you match the description, then turn and run when you see them, they won't believe you're exercising. But if you don't match the description at all, I see that being a hard sell. I'd be asking the cop: do I match the description of the person you're looking for?
      - leereeves 10y ago
        Often times they don't have much of a description and are just hoping to get lucky. In this case, did they have a description or simply "there's someone on the plane violating immigration law"?
leereeves 10y ago
> And so it begins. It began years ago.
nostromo 10y ago
The federal government has additional powers near a border to do certain things, like set up checkpoints. But, here's the ridiculous part, they define "near a border" as anywhere in the US that is 100 miles from a border or the ocean. So, virtually all of California is in the "constitution free zone" -- as are a full 2/3rds of the US population. https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
- SAI_Peregrinus 10y ago
  And ports of entry are defined as borders, so all the international airports count too: http://imgur.com/a/DqDeQ http://imgur.com/a/DqDeQ It's my quick & dirty edit of their image.
  - 5555624 10y ago
    Huntsville provides more coverage between Birmingham and Nashville.
wanderer2323 10y ago
Yeah, I also can only imagine what will happen if they start stopping everyone on the freeway and forcing them to take the body scanners./s
uptown 10y ago
"I can only imagine what would happen if they just started stopping everyone on the freeway asking for ID..." Those EZ-Pass transponders don't just transpond at toll plazas, and for those without EZ-Pass, license plate readers, and cell towers complement the aggregate data collected.

by cbanek 10y ago

cperciva 10y ago

I can only imagine what would happen if they just started stopping everyone on the freeway asking for ID... Don't the police set up roadblocks which stop everybody if they're trying to apprehend a fugitive and they think said fugitive is driving in a particular direction?

cbanek 10y ago
There are a few reasons why police will set up roadblocks, yes, like a manhunt, missing prisoner, or DUI checkpoint. The big difference is they don't ask for ID at these positions, and I've never personally seen a roadblock on a major interstate, usually it is smaller roads and closer to where they think the person might be. Of course roadblocks are only useful if you can set up blocks all around a perimeter. Also, those roadblocks are extremely temporary by nature, in terms of hours. Some of the border patrol checkpoints are basically permanent (a big sticking point in terms of the law). Now let's expand this instead of fugitive, you're looking for illegal immigrants on a list of people. Does that mean you can stop everyone, and scan their ID to try to find these people? Not to mention search the vehicle? In terms of the constitution, my right to free travel and the 4th amendment, I would hope that such a thing wouldn't happen, but it seems like that is what they are trying. For airports, things are a bit different, and you waive certain rights because of public safety and the risk of terrorism. But I can see something like that being moved down to travel by road as well.
- code_duck 10y ago
  They definitely ask for ID at DUI roadblocks - license and registration, just like a traffic stop. They also will question passengers and if desired, ask you to go to 'secondary' for a search or K-9 inspection. I looked at the stats near San Bernardino while I was there for a time last year, and from what I recall they found more stolen vehicles, individuals with warrants and drugs than impaired drivers.
  - cbanek 10y ago
    Yeah, that's part of the problem, they say the checkpoint is for one reason, but really they do it to try to catch anything going on. For a DUI roadblock yeah they'll ask you for ID, but not all the people in the car. Also, for secondary at these border patrol checkpoints, I think it's pretty shaky legal ground, although they will try.
- leereeves 10y ago
  I was stopped and asked for ID years ago when I was walking in an area where the police were looking for a suspect. No idea what would have happened if I had refused, but I doubt it would have been "Ok, you're free to go."
  - cbanek 10y ago
    It honestly probably depends on circumstances you might not be aware of, like the description of the person they are looking for. Obviously if you match the description, then turn and run when you see them, they won't believe you're exercising. But if you don't match the description at all, I see that being a hard sell. I'd be asking the cop: do I match the description of the person you're looking for?
    - leereeves 10y ago
      Often times they don't have much of a description and are just hoping to get lucky. In this case, did they have a description or simply "there's someone on the plane violating immigration law"?

leereeves 10y ago

> And so it begins. It began years ago.

nostromo 10y ago

The federal government has additional powers near a border to do certain things, like set up checkpoints. But, here's the ridiculous part, they define "near a border" as anywhere in the US that is 100 miles from a border or the ocean. So, virtually all of California is in the "constitution free zone" -- as are a full 2/3rds of the US population. https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

SAI_Peregrinus 10y ago
And ports of entry are defined as borders, so all the international airports count too: http://imgur.com/a/DqDeQ http://imgur.com/a/DqDeQ It's my quick & dirty edit of their image.
- 5555624 10y ago
  Huntsville provides more coverage between Birmingham and Nashville.

wanderer2323 10y ago

Yeah, I also can only imagine what will happen if they start stopping everyone on the freeway and forcing them to take the body scanners./s

uptown 10y ago

"I can only imagine what would happen if they just started stopping everyone on the freeway asking for ID..." Those EZ-Pass transponders don't just transpond at toll plazas, and for those without EZ-Pass, license plate readers, and cell towers complement the aggregate data collected.