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A 'one-in-a-million' occurrence from a movie and the police framing a stranger from out of state? Trust me, it's not one-in-a-million. As far as the U.S. has

by _pius 16y ago

A 'one-in-a-million' occurrence from a movie and the police framing a stranger from out of state? Trust me, it's not one-in-a-million. As far as the U.S. has come in race relations, I would never as a young black male consent to a search without cause. It's just too easy to be railroaded and have your life ruined. Why would you take that risk?

jacquesm 16y ago
That's my European background getting the better of me, I'm linking to 'driving while black' elsewhere in this thread to offset my innate response which is that you can rely on the police to be even-handed. Racial profiling exists here too but to a much lesser extent. If I were black and living in the US it would change my attitude completely, but I'm not black and live in Europe, hence my 'rose coloured glasses'. Apologies.
- mistermann 16y ago
  It's not even only blacks now, for example: http://jonathanturley.org/2010/05/03/baltimore-police-arrest-couple-asking-for-directions-to-the-interstate http://jonathanturley.org/2010/05/03/baltimore-police-arrest... While you're there, check out some of the related posts. "Many" police in North America (more so in the USA I hope) have started to turn dangerous to the citizens they are supposed to be protecting. If you read reddit on an a regular basis, you'd know there are numerous stories of totally innocent citizens being assaulted, jailed, framed, and sometimes literally killed in cold blood (no, this is not hyperbole, many have been captured on video) by this new strain of police officer. This kind of makes this particular subject interesting...considering some of the cops on the beat these days, it might not be a particularly good idea to exercise your constitutional rights with an officer, as you might not make it out alive. (I haven't ever read of an example of this though thankfully).
  - mistermann 16y ago
    One recent one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hjcHjN7Fe8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hjcHjN7Fe8&feature=relat... 7 year old innocent girl killed. Details and a very decent analysis are available here: http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2010/05/17.html http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2010/05/17.html So, long story short, police in the USA operate above the law. This family, without a doubt, operated on the shady side of the fence, so if you want to write it off as that, feel free, it won't bother me. But how will you feel when they start coming into your neighborhood and making "honest mistakes" like shooting sight unseen into a residence? I don't have the time right now, but I could link you to many youtube videos where people were doing pretty much nothing and the police came and just fucking hammered them, hard. The thing about this one that struck me so personally is, I have a daughter.

by _pius 16y ago

jacquesm 16y ago

That's my European background getting the better of me, I'm linking to 'driving while black' elsewhere in this thread to offset my innate response which is that you can rely on the police to be even-handed. Racial profiling exists here too but to a much lesser extent. If I were black and living in the US it would change my attitude completely, but I'm not black and live in Europe, hence my 'rose coloured glasses'. Apologies.

mistermann 16y ago
It's not even only blacks now, for example: http://jonathanturley.org/2010/05/03/baltimore-police-arrest-couple-asking-for-directions-to-the-interstate http://jonathanturley.org/2010/05/03/baltimore-police-arrest... While you're there, check out some of the related posts. "Many" police in North America (more so in the USA I hope) have started to turn dangerous to the citizens they are supposed to be protecting. If you read reddit on an a regular basis, you'd know there are numerous stories of totally innocent citizens being assaulted, jailed, framed, and sometimes literally killed in cold blood (no, this is not hyperbole, many have been captured on video) by this new strain of police officer. This kind of makes this particular subject interesting...considering some of the cops on the beat these days, it might not be a particularly good idea to exercise your constitutional rights with an officer, as you might not make it out alive. (I haven't ever read of an example of this though thankfully).
- mistermann 16y ago
  One recent one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hjcHjN7Fe8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hjcHjN7Fe8&feature=relat... 7 year old innocent girl killed. Details and a very decent analysis are available here: http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2010/05/17.html http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2010/05/17.html So, long story short, police in the USA operate above the law. This family, without a doubt, operated on the shady side of the fence, so if you want to write it off as that, feel free, it won't bother me. But how will you feel when they start coming into your neighborhood and making "honest mistakes" like shooting sight unseen into a residence? I don't have the time right now, but I could link you to many youtube videos where people were doing pretty much nothing and the police came and just fucking hammered them, hard. The thing about this one that struck me so personally is, I have a daughter.